KTF's cousin named WTF (if everyone agrees)

[Celticknits]

Here is the payout sheet for Nottos Jackpot247 2Jun16 numbers - Thank You.

Nothing unusual here just a little higher than normal number of Multiple Repeats than the Average.

-Celtic

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JACKPOT247   2JUN16
Bet Repeats using G.U.T., Averages, Count
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 7
2 11
3 23
4 12
5 12 R1
6 6
7 30
8 18
9 18 R1
10 19 8/10
11 26
12 19 R1
13 1
14 9
15 8
16 18 R2
17 0
18 14
19 34
20 33 12 1 12 -12 -12
21 28 13 2 26 -26 -38
22 16 14 3 42 -42 -80
23 36 0 -80
24 25 0 -80
25 7 R1 17 4 68 144 76 -4
26 31 16 3 48 -48 -52
27 26 R1 16 4 64 144 80 28
28 0 R1 15 3 45 108 63 91         --- Win/Stop reached so QUIT!!!
29 29 14 1 14 -14 77
30 0 R2 14 2 28 -28 49
31 7 R2 14 3 42 -42 7
32 27 14 4 56 -56 -49
33 20 14 5 70 -70 -119
34 18 R3 14 6 84 -84 -203
35 34 R1 14 7 98 252 154 -49
36 26 R2 13 6 78 -78 -127
37 8 R1 13 7 91 252 161 34
NOTE:  R>R1 Designates numbers already repeated
Rx Designates numbers Repeated but not bet on



[nottophammer]

Got 48 units on spin 38, so out the door 

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coral 02.06.16
1 11
2 9
3 4
4 15
5 10
6 33
7 11
8 7
9 0
10 9
11 18
12 7
13 8
14 1
15 21
16 24
17 34
18 14
19 30
20 28
21 22
22 7
23 12
24 31
25 6
26 22
27 9
28 5
29 12
30 24
31 27
32 21
33 19
34 15
35 11
36 4
37 32
38 22
39
40


[tuddilue]

Here is the payout sheet for Nottos Jackpot247 2Jun16 numbers - Thank You.

Nothing unusual here just a little higher than normal number of Multiple Repeats than the Average.

-Celtic

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JACKPOT247   2JUN16
Bet Repeats using G.U.T., Averages, Count
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 7
2 11
3 23
4 12
5 12 R1
6 6
7 30
8 18
9 18 R1
10 19 8/10
11 26
12 19 R1
13 1
14 9
15 8
16 18 R2
17 0
18 14
19 34
20 33 12 1 12 -12 -12
21 28 13 2 26 -26 -38
22 16 14 3 42 -42 -80
23 36 0 -80
24 25 0 -80
25 7 R1 17 4 68 144 76 -4
26 31 16 3 48 -48 -52
27 26 R1 16 4 64 144 80 28
28 0 R1 15 3 45 108 63 91         --- Win/Stop reached so QUIT!!!
29 29 14 1 14 -14 77
30 0 R2 14 2 28 -28 49
31 7 R2 14 3 42 -42 7
32 27 14 4 56 -56 -49
33 20 14 5 70 -70 -119
34 18 R3 14 6 84 -84 -203
35 34 R1 14 7 98 252 154 -49
36 26 R2 13 6 78 -78 -127
37 8 R1 13 7 91 252 161 34
NOTE:  R>R1 Designates numbers already repeated
Rx Designates numbers Repeated but not bet on



Got some question for you celtic when I run these numbers:
The signal of 0 vs >0 crossing was on spin 22:
16 19 18
The signal of 0 vs 1 crossing was on spin 24:
25 17 20 17
So did you use the second crossing to decide that you can start bet again?
In combination with that it also had gone 4 unhits in 21-30 that has average of 5?

I haven't seen you use the 0 vs 1, so got curious about it,

-Tuddilue 

[Celticknits]

Got some question for you celtic when I run these numbers:
The signal of 0 vs >0 crossing was on spin 22:
16 19 --- This number is one lower than mine because I start my tracking with 37 unhit numbers not 36   18 --- I think you forgot to reduce the hit once numbers by one each time there was a repeat. Regardless there is no crossing here.


The signal of 0 vs 1 crossing --- I do not understand what you are saying here was on spin 24:
25 17 20 17 --- What is this number ?

So did you use the second crossing to decide that you can start bet again?    --- No because there was no crossing if you look at my attached sheet.

In combination with that it also had gone 4 unhits in 21-30 that has average of 5?
YES this was definitely part of the reason

I haven't seen you use the 0 vs 1, so got curious about it,

I am not sure what you mean by 0 vs 1.
If you are talking about the numbers that have not come yet to ones that have come ONCE you would be incorrect because that is my main consideration when looking for a crossing.


-Tuddilue

-Tuddi

Also see my comments in red above.
I have spent a lot of time trying to figure out how to reply to you.

I have attached a copy of the sheet I use in the casino and when I run Nottos numbers for tracking.
The main thing to note is that I start my tracking with 37 numbers not 36.

-Notto can clear this up for me.
On a Euro '0' wheel should tracking start with 37 or 36 numbers and on an American wheel 38 numbers or 36 numbers.

Without showing the spin number and actual number spun the tracking after spin 22 is 20-14-3-1 (With 36 numbers it would be 19-14-3-1).
Either way there is not a crossing.
I think you forgot to reduce the number of single hits by one when the Repeats came.

After spin 24 my tracking shows 18-16-3-1 - No crossing (With 36 numbers this would be 17-16-3-1 which WOULD indicate a crossing)

So I started to rebet at spin 25 considering ALL following reasons:

1) I still expect 6 paying Single repeats in the next 13 spins based on Averages.
2) As you noted, there are usually 5 repeats and 5 Unhit numbers in spins 21-30 according to the Averages and none have come yet.
3) We have already got 12 of the 15 unhit numbers that are on the Averages Sheet between 11 and 40
4) The number of unhit numbers is at 18.

I put this list in order of relevance to me.

Does this help clear things up Tuddi?

-Celtic

[nottophammer]

Euro wheel start with 37, so after 1st spin 36-1

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jackpot247 03.06.16
1 11
2 30
3 12
4 23
5 4
6 17
7 34
8 13
9 10
10 18
11 6
12 4
13 32
14 15
15 17
16 10
17 26
18 28
19 1
20 15
21 31
22 9
23 1
24 23
25 8
26 10
27 7
28 31
29 6
30 30
31 0
32 3
33 21
34 20
35 23
36 6
37 20
38 15
39 11
40 31
41 34
42 4
43 20
44 12
45 22
46 25
47 36
48 20
49 17
50 0
51 3
52 13
53 13
54 6
55 25
56 26
57 11
58 25
59
60


[NextYear]

Thank you Celtic, nicely explained!

One question though:
are little numbers under 1x's telling us  how many of first time repeaters you are still expecting?

And something that I noticed that you are doing wrong:
After spin 1 you should write 36-1, instead of 37-1, as 1 number came and 36 are 0x's! 
If you were on 38# wheel, this would be correct 37-1...

[nottophammer]

If in betting shop this paper tracker is okay as have time to show markings, in the B+M would be okay if it was in the evening when table is busy.
Our figures have to equal 37,
At spin 24 it shows #span 25, 0x 17, 1x 17, >1x 3, 2x 2, >2x 1, 3x 1
                                                     17       17                  2                 1 =37

[tuddilue]

Thanks Celticknits for your explanation.
I will also analyse tonight the figures again.
I'll come back to you later today when I have more time..
- Tuddilue

[tuddilue]

Aha that explains why you do not use the second crossing:
#  0  >0  1
25 17 20 17
I have also written the different G.U.T numbers. So the signal is that the crossing is coming. I mean between 0 vs 1. I usually don't use this crossing for WTF. Because of that I asked. Me myself should have used the average as you also said...

I use a tracker for G.U.T I think that is easier for me. But I'm a newbie on G.U.T so for now it is easier to see graphics than reading the numbers as you, notto and winkel is doing. I tries of course. But this is easier for me and I see everything much better.

But the thing I see in the tracker is that it starts on 36. Counting down one the first unhit that has hit. But I think that is ok, or?

So I agree of all the reasons you has written to start betting.

Yes it is helping.
I now understand why you start bet again on spin 25. I also see that the crossing 0 vs 1 is just a coincidence. But I will have an eye on this crossing because I think it is interesting. It is the same as SimonZed1 is betting on I think he is calling it 0x -> 1x and that is usually occurring at spin 37.

Thanks for you explanation celtic!

-Tuddilue

[Celticknits]

Our figures have to equal 37, or 38 on an American wheel
At spin 24 it shows #span 25, 0x 17, 1x 17, >1x 3, 2x 2, >2x 1, 3x 1
                                                     17       17                  2                 1 =37

-Notto

Not sure how I got off track.
Pretty sure it is because at my B&M I only have the American wheel option and I just did not adjust the numbers when doing the Jackpot247 Euro wheel numbers.

Thank you for seting me right AGAIN

-Celtic

[Celticknits]

Thank you Celtic, nicely explained!

One question though:
are little numbers under 1x's telling us  how many of first time repeaters you are still expecting?
YES

And something that I noticed that you are doing wrong:
After spin 1 you should write 36-1, instead of 37-1, as 1 number came and 36 are 0x's! 
If you were on 38# wheel, this would be correct 37-1...

I noticed that and why I asked Notto for an explanation.

The sheet I posted is the same one I use when I play at the B&M and I print it out before going.
I only have the American wheel available so spin 1 is 37 - 1.
That's the only reason I can see for me making that error.
Checking my old GUT sheets I used the 36 - 1 for Notto's Euro numbers.
Not sure how I got off track but at least I am back on track now.
Thank you for mentioning it.

-Celtic

[Celticknits]

If in betting shop this paper tracker is okay as have time to show markings, in the B+M would be okay if it was in the evening when table is busy.
Our figures have to equal 37,
At spin 24 it shows #span 25, 0x 17, 1x 17, >1x 3, 2x 2, >2x 1, 3x 1
                                                     17       17                  2                 1 =37

-Notto

On the tracking sheet you attached can you please explain why the Hit 1 numbers were not reduced on spins 16, 30, 31, 34 and 36?

-Celtic

[nottophammer]

Hi Celtic
spins 16 is #18 and has already hit twice, so we now mark the 3x column and the >2 column and deduct the 2x column by 1.
We know theres 25,0x's if we add the 1,2,3x columns we have 12 that have hit, 12 +25=37, so you still have 9,1x's because the #18 was a 2x.
You can see what to be bet in the righthand columns going 20 to 30.
As said this papertracker is okay if you have time, otherwise i use the sheet used in postings for KTF.

[Celticknits]

Hi Celtic
spins 16 is #18 and has already hit twice, so we now mark the 3x column and the >2 column and deduct the 2x column by 1.
We know theres 25,0x's if we add the 1,2,3x columns we have 12 that have hit, 12 +25=37, so you still have 9,1x's because the #18 was a 2x.
You can see what to be bet in the righthand columns going 20 to 30.
As said this papertracker is okay if you have time, otherwise i use the sheet used in postings for KTF.

-Notto

Thank you for the explanation.

-Celtic

[nottophammer]

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jackpot247 04.06.16
1 22
2 11
3 11
4 2
5 20
6 11
7 11
8 28
9 0
10 9
11 34
12 7
13 30
14 15
15 11
16 33
17 6
18 29
19 16
20 34
21 8
22 4
23 35
24 36
25 11
26 7
27 21
28 17
29 19
30 23
31 0
32 34
33 10
34 17
35 27
36 0
37 9
38 5
39 23
40 23
41 35
42 20
43 28
44 11
45 26
46 29
47 13
48 10
49 12
50 21
51 31
52 36
53 2
54 26
55 26
56 35
57 35
58 17
59 26
60 23

61 12
62 11
63 34
64 24
65 29
66 30
67 32