For the MATHS boys

[The General]

Ok. Forget odds. I dont want to increase the odds

The odds are the same every spin

What im saying is this: 30 wont hit 10 times in a row. Black wont hit 25 times in a row. 123 dozen sequence wont happen 4 times in a row

This is what i am exploring

The ODDS are the same. I get that

Odd has the same 48 percent chance every spin. But it wont hit 36 times in a row

Back in 2007, I watched red hit 26 times in a row at the Taj Mahal in Atlantic City.

But that's nothing compared to the following picture.


Do you realize just how rare of an event the reader board above actually is?

Extremely rare!  Think about it...the odds of seeing those exact numbers in that exact order is astoundingly high!!!

My point to this is rare events happen every day at the roulette wheel.  You're just not looking for most of them.  Consider the odds of the last 100 numbers hitting in the exact order in which they just hit.

[The General]

System Junkies,

You need to realize that you can't side step probability by waiting for "rare events" to happen.  The house payout will always be short of what the odds say is fair when you're chasing your "rare events".

This includes the law of the third/gut nonsense.

If you believe otherwise, then all you have to do is look down and count the number of pockets that remain on the wheel after every rare event.

[Azim]

You are right and wrong.

What are you going to do with your proposition?

The only thing to do to make your proposition have the maths advantage you have calculated is to sit at the table....dont look at the marque and say "there is a 25k to 1 chance that 123123123 wont happen"

first bet is 1u on D2 and 1u on D3. lose
Second bet is 3u on D1 and 3u on D3. lose
third bet is 9u on D1 and 9u on D2 lose

A third the way through this and 26u down

Do you continue?

next bet is 27u on D2 and 27u on D3

By the way, what is min bet for Dozens on your airball?

1231 isnt so rare is it?

This is what Winkel was trying to teach everyone.

Read the situation and decide if you going to bet or want to stop.

He went as far as saying keep a diary and refer back to it.

[Azim]

System Junkies,

You need to realize that you can't side step probability by waiting for "rare events" to happen.  The house payout will always be short of what the odds say is fair when you're chasing your "rare events".

This includes the law of the third/gut nonsense.

If you believe otherwise, then all you have to do is look down and count the number of pockets that remain on the wheel after every rare event.

Non sense is what you Roulette Math boys think others don't know.


Let me ask Steve again, does he want me to go through each and every point he has made on our reply #140 on this thread

That will really stop GENERAL from putting everyone down..

OR ARE WE ALL HERE TO HELP PEOPLE MAKE DECISIONS AND GUIDE THEM.

I WILL ASK 1 QUESTION:
HOW CAN ANYONE TEACH SOMEONE HOW TO THINK?  [/font][/color]

[The General]

I'm not sure as to which part it is that you so vehemently disagree with.   Perhaps you can point out the part that you feel is incorrect?

[Foolwise]

Do you realize just how rare of an event the reader board above actually is?

The picture is a fake.

>>>>>>>My point to this is rare events happen every day at the roulette wheel. AGREED

>>>>>>>Consider the odds of the last 100 numbers hitting in the exact order in which they just hit. But why would anyone want to do that?

[The General]

Of course the reader board pic is NOT real.  My point is that reader board is just as rare as any other reader board.

Think about it...the 16 numbers on any reader board.  Do you realize that you are the only person that will likely every witness those numbers in that exact order ever again???

Understand?

[Priyanka]

This isnt true. BB is the same as BB and RB and BR. BB and BB could be two different black numbers, but it wouldnt matter anyway because they have the same odds on each spin anyway.

Steve you didn't probably understand my explanation.  Agree with you that BB is the same as BR or RB or RR.  The point am saying is that is only when you consider the sequence. 

We know there are 4 possibilities of spins.  However seeing 2 blacks (BB) is rare than seeing 1 black and 1 red (RB, BR) because it can come in two possible sequences as opposed to 1 possible sequence.  So the odds of seeing two blacks are 1/4 whereas the odds of seeing one black and one red is 1/2.  Do you agree?

[Foolwise]

Think about it...the 16 numbers on any reader board.  Do you realize that you are the only person that will likely every witness those numbers in that exact order ever again???
Understand?

But who is questioning this. I do not think there is anyone who disagrees this. What is the point you are trying to prove.

[RouletteGhost]

The General....that picture you posted, I find it hard to believe, I do not believe it actually. Id have to see THAT for myself. And stop being a jerk.

Everyone: I am enjoying this

a few points i want to make clear

1) I am not trying to change the odds
2) I am not trying to change the accuracy of predictions

What I am trying to investigate is: Every spin has the same probability

What amazes me is this:

having number 23 hit 10 times in a row has the same probability as ANY 10 number combination

Will 23 hit 10 times in a row? NO IT WILL NOT. Does 23 have the same odds of hitting 10 in a row as any combo? YES. (see my point)

So how much bearing does this have: The odds do not change

The chance of 35 blacks in a row have the same probability of being red the next spin as black....but 35 blacks WILL NOT happen

so dozen sequence 123 123 123 123 123 has the same probability of happening as 121 332 112 111 221 (or any other sequence) THE ODDS DO NOT CHANGE. but it will not happen!!

Thats what I am getting at

So Steve I would appreciate it if you would stop telling me that I do not understand it cant change predictions or odds BECAUSE I GET THAT. Thats not what my questions are about

[The General]

The chance of 35 blacks in a row have the same probability of being red the next spin as black....but 35 blacks WILL NOT happen

This will help you understand the flaw in your line of thinking.  Think of how many possible ways that there are for the numbers/colors to hit in 35 spins.  There are zillions of different possible patterns, but only ONE of the patterns is all black.  In the end there are a gazillion more ways for black not to hit on all of the spins than there are for it to hit.  But it's still one of the possible patterns, so it could still emerge as the winning pattern.

However, in the end, one equally extremelylylylyly rare pattern emerges as the winner at the end of the 35 spins. It's just that nobody was likely looking for that one specific pattern.  But then again, there could be some guy having his mind blown...somewhere. (And yes, I know you're not talking only about 35 spins.  I merely limited the sample size to help make my point.)

[Foolwise]

>>>>>>>>so dozen sequence 123 123 123 123 123 has the same probability of happening as 121 332 112 111 221 (or any other sequence) THE ODDS DO NOT CHANGE. but it will not happen!!

One question for your rouletteghost. You are saying 123 123 123 123 123 will not happen. But what do you think about the other one 121 332 112 111 221. Will that happen? Or it will not happen. If you say that will not happen, then you already have your answer. If you say that will happen, then I offer to run through all the millions of spins from roulette wheel posted by ignatus in the thread link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16562.msg147178#msg147178 and show you how many times 123 123 123 123 123 has happened and how many times 121 332 112 111 221 has happened.

[MrJ]

>>>>>>>>so dozen sequence 123 123 123 123 123 has the same probability of happening as 121 332 112 111 221 (or any other sequence) THE ODDS DO NOT CHANGE. but it will not happen!!

One question for your rouletteghost. You are saying 123 123 123 123 123 will not happen. But what do you think about the other one 121 332 112 111 221. Will that happen? Or it will not happen. If you say that will not happen, then you already have your answer. If you say that will happen, then I offer to run through all the millions of spins from roulette wheel posted by ignatus in the thread link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16562.msg147178#msg147178 and show you how many times 123 123 123 123 123 has happened and how many times 121 332 112 111 221 has happened.

Thats true. Lets exclude the zeros for a minute and jot down the last 18 outcomes. We put them in orders of three (column or dozen) . "Can that NEVER happen". Well, it just did.

Ken

[RouletteGhost]

can this MATHS be applied to roulette

does it deserve its own thread?

link:://phys.org/news/2007-05-law-digits-scientists.html

[The General]

You'll enjoy this as well Zipf's Mystery

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=fCn8zs912OE