For the MATHS boys

[The General]

Azim,

Do you really want to go down this road?

[Azim]

Azim,

Do you really want to go down this road?

I am just asking I am dumb. Like I said..

Here I will tell you this is how you guide people...Just don't come out and say words if you can't back them.

What you have done is every spin becomes your 28 sleeper spin. 
The only advice I have for you is make sure you do it right. Especially when you have multiple repeats to count to make your 28 sleepers.
The trout from hell that will kill you is one that has 5-7 repeats with in 15 to 20 spins. That's were you will have to be careful as to which numbers you adding, since removing is easy it's the last number hit.
However, you would have to be very unlucky for that to happen. It does happen.
Have enough arsenal to protect you from that disaster or have a stop loss somewhere.

I can quote many from Quads and grasshopper and others were I have warned and said the selection is good.

So you again telling me House Edge will kill it?

[The General]

Yes, the house edge will inevitably consume your entire bankroll.

[Azim]

Yes, the house edge will inevitably consume your entire bankroll.

Shows how ignorant you are.

BTW, why are you here?  To cause trouble for Ken.

That's telling me you are all words and no action.  Nice talking to you.  I am sure the offer for a 5 Star hotel was words with no actions.   LOL

[The General]

Shows how ignorant you are.

Indeed it does.  Like Dr. Thorp, mathematicians, and history, I don't know anything about roulette. 

By the way, Denial isn't a river in Egypt.

[Azim]

Prove it.  Show me the math that proves I'm wrong.

You don't read do you, I said I was dumb, trying to learn from you who claims it won't work?

You said House Edge, I accepted that and told you you are ignorant.

If you want me to prove it to you go practice GUT make it natural to you and come talk to me after.

Ken Issue:

If I saw a thread correct didn't you start a poll going against Ken?

To Ken, was that right or was I dreaming?

[The General]

Ok, I'll try to explain it this once... in a way that you may or may not comprehend.

The number of pockets on the wheel determine the probability of winning.

If the same number of pockets remain on the wheel from one spin to the next, then how could the probability of winning possibly change based on what has or has not hit on the prior spins?  What is the physical force that could possible enable past spins to reach forward in time from the past and change the odds?  Is it the strong, weak, gravity, or electromagnetic?  Or is it magic?  Pick one.

Winkel's  GUT system was nothing more than a goofy attempt to exploit the "law of the third".   Since it each spin of the wheel is an independent event, and since the system was in no way designed to exploit a defective gaming device, and since it did not improve the players ability to predict where the ball would likely impact the wheel on the next spin, it was a foolish waste of words.

In the end, it's because of "since" . 

Now take heart..I won't post anything else in this thread to bring anyone down.  I don't want to do that.  So feel free to come up with a zillion different reasons as to why I'm wrong, so that you can justify your cause and to continue onward with your dream and believe system.

[Azim]

Ok, I'll try to explain it this once, in a way that you may or may not comprehend.

The number of pockets on the wheel determine the probability of winning.

If the same number of pockets remain on the wheel from one spin to the next, then how could the probability of winning possibly change based on what has or has not hit on the prior spins?  What is the physical force that could possible enable past spins to reach forward in time from the past and change the odds?  Is it the strong, weak, gravity, or electromagnetic?  Or is it magic?  Pick one.

Winkel's  GUT system was nothing more than a goofy attempt to exploit the "law of the third".   Since it each spin of the wheel is an independent event, and since the system was in no way designed to exploit a defective gaming device, and since it did not improve the players ability to predict where the ball would likely impact the wheel on the next spin, it was a foolish waste of words.

In the end, it's because of "since" .

Ok, I will say this to you...

You don't know me, I don't know you..  As Ken says  he has been playing since he was young.
I will cut this short and not make you go read through my posts.

I have said, I have been brought up in a family that has gambled all their life. I have myself been brought up to gamble when I was 6 at house parties.

I know what Roulette is all about and so does everyone else with there set of eyes.. Not everyone has the same brains to understand what's being said.

However, claiming House edge as an excuse tells me you have no idea at all about roulette.

So I will leave you at this and advice you to please put your money were your mouth is.

[The General]

I have no doubt that you're a legend in your own mind.

[Azim]

I have no doubt that you're a legend in your own mind.

Once again its your assumption.  I am flattered.

[The General]

Azim,

I get it.  You're passionate about the game, but you have a great deal to learn.  Take some time to read more on the subject by researching the history and evolution of the wheel.

Learn from the mistakes of others, as you will not live long enough to make all of the mistakes yourself.


Best of luck.

[Azim]

Azim,

I get it.  You're passionate about the game, but you have a great deal to learn.  Take some time to read more on the subject by researching the history and evolution of the wheel.

Learn from the mistakes of others, as you will not live long enough to make all of the mistakes yourself.


Best of luck.

I will  give you the same advice.

[Azim]

For those that want to try the Andruchi system.

Thank Thomas Grant.

link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=401.msg77679#msg77679

[RouletteGhost]

I will choose to believe actions speak louder then words. Ktf wins more then it loses.

Everyone winning with it. Cant be just luck

And its not a goofy system. It is somewhat based on math

I thinks the general should at least read it before jumping in saying it will fail

For all the general knows ktf could be based on visual ballistics. But he wouldnt know because he hasnt read it

The general. Why subject yourself to a mechanical system place if you are VB? Wasting your time and will only frustrate YOURSELF

Its like me enjoying chess and believing it should be only played one way, then i goto a chess forum and argue it. Noone benefits

Actions speak louder then words. Notto how many sheets are you at now?

[Steve]

Ive seen a lot of material from Andruchi. None of it worked or even showed proper understanding of roulette. Yes hes running a scam, one of which is giving free systems that supposedly work at flawed casinos... that hes an affiliate of.

General is right abut his points are being missed. It is not personal, and hes not being arrogant about it as it may appear. Recently even kav perceived my attempt to help the guy as arrogance. There is not some personal vendetta from advantage players towards system players. Roulette math and facts are quite basic, but widely not understood. APs understand it, and constantly repeat it all, but it goes over heads. And system guys think we have the problem. You dont see anything in history about the HG, just plain roulette physics / AP methods.

With experience you can look at a system and see it has no cirrelation to physical variables and bet selection, and therefore know it ill fail. That was generals point. What is the part of the system that changes odds?

I have no idea what KTF is. But unless its bet selection changes the odds, it will eventually lose. This is not my ignorance. It is just plain fact because you can only overcome unfair payouts if you improve odds.

If someone is winning with it, consider if 1,000 players used the same system for a month. 47% have won so far and think they have the HG. 53% have lost. With further play, the 47% will eventually see reality too. Thats the house edge. Anything can happen short term.

And hey remember Blue Angels disaster? How often is there a new HG here? The end result is always the same. The same processes repeat. The hype over short term testing, then eventually reality.