For the MATHS boys

[RouletteGhost]

Im not promoting andruchi

I posted a page thst had statistics of how many non hits and repeats are expected in X spins

If you look at the link its useful info

[Azim]

Steve,

You are right. I will 100% not argue.

However, having said that, we aren't looking at the same fruit. One of us is looking at an apple and the other plum Both being red does not mean they are same.


Here is what I have said, and that's why I ask people to practice.



Testing zone / Re: Holy Grail By Winkel.
« on: December 31, 2014, 08:51:22 AM »
Quote from: LuckoftheIrish on December 31, 2014, 07:45:53 AM
Thanks for the help thus far.  Much appreciated.

I have a feeling Winkel will be on the same page as me in saying:

Please Please make sure you have the facts right.
Unlike Andruchi, this is not a straight forward system. It's basically a strategy.

A system is easy to follow, a strategy is not.

End of Quote.

GUT is not a system, GUT is a Strategy to understand what is happening.

It was people like Herb, you got all Winkel stressed out. Thats why I said, what I said, I am dumb please enlighten me as to why it won't work.

However, if someone comes and tells me House edge is the only problem. To me they are ignorant.

Comming back to Andruchi, I don't think RG was promoting it. 

Like I said, thanks to Thomas Grant the system has been on this site for a while now.


The only reason I apologized to the General was for accusing him about Ken.  Turn out it was FoolWise.

[Steve]

RG really its not useful info, because it doesnt in any way help improve odds.

It seems KTF is After 10 spins you bet all unhit numbers with +1/-1 prog.

It wont work. After those 10 spins the odds havent changed, at all. Theres nothing to argue about. Anyone just test the theory with the free software i recently published. I published it precisely so people can see, not argue about it.

And once you see odds havent changed, you see whats left..... just progression, which is no better than martingale. Different size bets on different spins, nothing more. The explanation is clear. Im not sure how it dan get clearer.

[RouletteGhost]

I think theres too many misconceptions as to why people are here

People should be free to play as they wish without being told they are wrong

For the advantage play and VB guys: you are throwing chips at the same table and have the same odds

[Turner]

You dont have to agree with an idea. Also, if you dont agree, you are not a Maths guy (what ever that is)

Maths is fact. Agreeing with maths doesnt mean you are a mad revolutionary. It may of done in the 1600s but its 2016

There is no argument in "prove it doesnt work then?". Its for the people making the claim to provide proof.

"Never lost yet" isnt proof. Its just "never lost yet" and nothing else.

There is no proof that KTF is a long term winner, mathematically or other.

"It loses more than it wins" isnt proof either.

While it remains unproven, there is absolutely no problem with people saying it is no different than any other idea and having reasons to be believe it will eventually fail based on their personal experience.

[RouletteGhost]

Back to original post

I posted the link because of info like this

I couldnt care who anruchi is

But theres useful info there

[Steve]

Azim if you mean we need to look at each system independently, I generally agree. But the problem is almost every system uses the same fallacies, just repackaged. Like with KTF, the odds arent being changed. We already know that waiting for sleepers and hot numbers and then betting doesnt change odds.

There are very rare exceptions, like if there was a temporary bias, although it would still be quite a different thing.

So basically a different system that uses the same losing principles is just the same system with a different name.

[Steve]

RG the information still doesnt tell anything useful. Its just basic math. It doesnt help change odds. Changing odds, aka accurate bet selection, must be the focus.

[RouletteGhost]

[Azim]

Back to original post

I posted the link because of info like this

I couldnt care who anruchi is

But theres useful info there

RG, there is a lot of difference between 10 unique numbers and KTF.  KTF was born after notto understood GUT.

He has admitted, that he was losing before he read GUT. Having studied GUT and practiced it he now knows how to read a trot.

[Azim]

RG the information still doesnt tell anything useful. Its just basic math. It doesnt help change odds. Changing odds, aka accurate bet selection, must be the focus.

Steve, 

Thats what he has done. People have been warned not to follow the 10 spins and bet +1/-1 blindly.

[Azim]

Azim if you mean we need to look at each system independently, I generally agree. But the problem is almost every system uses the same fallacies, just repackaged. Like with KTF, the odds arent being changed. We already know that waiting for sleepers and hot numbers and then betting doesnt change odds.

There are very rare exceptions, like if there was a temporary bias, although it would still be quite a different thing.

So basically a different system that uses the same losing principles is just the same system with a different name.

Steve, 

I had this discussionn with Winkel as well...  Its somewhere on one of the threads.

Using intersection, union and compliment one changes there odds..  Winkel never got past Herb and the group to explain.

[Steve]

People should be free to play as they wish without being told they are wrong

For the advantage play and VB guys: you are throwing chips at the same table and have the same odds

Sure we can all play however we want. Nobody argues that. But when it comes to what works, what can earn a living, there is only one truth. Truth isnt opinion or perspective.

No, the vb players aim to change odds. Thats exactly the point Ive been making. The only thing that vb and system players share is the same payouts and rules. Payouts and odds are different things.

[Azim]

Sure we can all play however we want. Nobody argues that. But when it comes to what works, what can earn a living, there is only one truth. Truth isnt opinion or perspective.

No, the vb players aim to change odds. Thats exactly the point Ive been making. The only thing that vb and system players share is the same payouts and rules. Payouts and odds are different things.

Totally correct. People who can read TROTS change there odds too....

[Steve]

Azim, if Herb had any information about any bet selection method, Im sure he'd recognize if it could or couldnt possibly change odds. Ill look at GUT later and let u know my thoughts. But by you saying "read trots" it sounds like GUT is looking to find sequences like rrrbbbrrr etc. But i have software, similar to what i published, whic has tested billions of trots and sequences. The result: no rb sequence had any bearing in future rb sequences. I could run the comouter for days testing with the same result.