For the MATHS boys

[Azim]

Azim, if Herb had any information about any bet selection method, Im sure he'd recognize if it could or couldnt possibly change odds. Ill look at GUT later and let u know my thoughts. But by you saying "read trots" it sounds like GUT is looking to find sequences like rrrbbbrrr etc. But i have software, similar to what i published, whic has tested billions of trots and sequences. The result: no rb sequence had any bearing in future rb sequences. I could run the comouter for days testing with the same result.

Not true. Why don't you read it.  Honestly, its worth reading it.

I honestly Thank SAM, two-cat-Sam.

He pointed it out, it has been a blessing in telling people to go practice.

Read it for yourself and try and understand it. 

Please keep an open mind. I know where you going with VB , however, I hate to say this but not everyone of same age has become a doctor.

We all have different absorbing power to understand. Not saying you will not understand it. However, it will be hard to follow considering the obstructions by Herb and the group.

[Azim]

You dont have to agree with an idea. Also, if you dont agree, you are not a Maths guy (what ever that is)

Maths is fact. Agreeing with maths doesnt mean you are a mad revolutionary. It may of done in the 1600s but its 2016

There is no argument in "prove it doesnt work then?". Its for the people making the claim to provide proof.

"Never lost yet" isnt proof. Its just "never lost yet" and nothing else.

There is no proof that KTF is a long term winner, mathematically or other.



"It loses more than it wins" isnt proof either.

While it remains unproven, there is absolutely no problem with people saying it is no different than any other idea and having reasons to be believe it will eventually fail based on their personal experience.

Turner, you are right.

If  everyone goes back and reads the KTF post, somewhere I asked notto to redo the spins from a few spins into the numbers he had posted.  Not everyone can see numbers the same way

He did give us a way how to play those number's.  The reason I brought that up was, I saw a trend of bad spins from his JACKPOT247.com tv show

[RouletteGhost]

Betting non hits with a small win goal is probably one of the best things posted here

I applaud hammer

[Steve]

Can anyone give simple information to explain how GUT changes the odds? Like even one example of bet selection.

Betting non hits with a small win goal is probably one of the best things posted here

Betting sleepers is no better than random betting. Its easy to prove. And small win target doesnt change anything.

[RouletteGhost]

Can anyone give simple information to explain how GUT changes the odds? Like even one example of bet selection.

Betting sleepers is no better than random betting. Its easy to prove. And small win target doesnt change anything.

For me its fine

I dont seek to make a living off it

Play it as a hobby for fun

Win some. Lose some.

[Steve]

RG again however you play, and your intentions, is nothing someone else can tell you. But only a system that is better than random bet selection qualifies to be called good.

I read more about GUT and its just working with sleepers and repeats. If there was any effectiveness of this approach, testing billions of spins would have showed it. Testing with real spins is the same in this respect. The only time sleepers or hot numbers make a difference is with wheel bias. I cant see any merit with GUT.

[Azim]

RG again however you play, and your intentions, is nothing someone else can tell you. But only a system that is better than random bet selection qualifies to be called good.

I read more about GUT and its just working with sleepers and repeats. If there was any effectiveness of this approach, testing billions of spins would have showed it. Testing with real spins is the same in this respect. The only time sleepers or hot numbers make a difference is with wheel bias. I cant see any merit with GUT.

Honestly Steve,

All I have to say is WOW!!!...

[Steve]

Also I cant stand rubbish some people say, like I try to hide working systems. Its bullshit. If something works, Id tell everyone. If something doesnt work, ill explain why, and give simple information to allow people to properly test for themselves. There is no hiding if anything. I refer again to the case with blue angel, hat i was accused of doing, and how that ended. People shouldnt get so offended and personal about testing and civil discussion. Truth is not offensive. Im not offending winkel or anything, but I dont see GUT has any merit.

Azim, if im wrong, dont just say wow. Show me Im wrong.

[RouletteGhost]

Ktf is a good mechanical strategy of play

[Azim]

Steve,

I said that, before you posted that reply.  It's hard to follow...  Keep an open mind.
Let me give you an example using VB.  VB uses physics..  Ball rotation speed, wheel rotation.. etc etc..

GUT uses it's own strategy for it to work.  It honestly took me at least 5-6 readings of it, before I got the grasp of what Winkel was trying to say.
For me it's hard to explain, and not only that, people look at things differently.

Once again, I have said this to everyone, It's hard to explain. You have to read it and understand it.

It's not a method it's a strategy.


Here is how nicely TURNER has worded it for everyone:



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Re: Holy Grail By Winkel.
« Reply #531 on: December 11, 2015, 05:02:54 PM »
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Correct me if I am wrong.....
GUT ( to me) seems to be like a compass or barometer to aid you to make improved bet selection

The key to winning is improving the bet selection

Everyone seens to want a hard and fast algorithm ....I think the idea of GUT is to put you in a position....when its time to bet.....of having an informed choice....which leads to an improved bet selection

I could be wrong.

[Steve]

Really i do have an open mind. The problem is GUT is basing bet selection on sleepers and repeats. But these principles have been tested billions of times before, excluding testing ive done. And the odds dont change. The spins are all independent trials. There is no link between spins besides similar physical variables, and ball start/release points.

Most impirtant is sleepers and hot numbers dont have any influence on future spins, but GUT uses them to formulate bet selection. Its like using random to create random bet selection, then saying you are improving odds to be better than random.

For any system to work, there must be some association, even if indirect, to the variables that govern winning numbers, aka physics. Nothing else governs winning numbers. To say otherwise is like saying voodoo selects the winning number.

[Azim]

Also I cant stand rubbish some people say, like I try to hide working systems. Its bullshit. If something works, Id tell everyone. If something doesnt work, ill explain why, and give simple information to allow people to properly test for themselves. There is no hiding if anything. I refer again to the case with blue angel, hat i was accused of doing, and how that ended. People shouldnt get so offended and personal about testing and civil discussion. Truth is not offensive. Im not offending winkel or anything, but I dont see GUT has any merit.

Azim, if im wrong, dont just say wow. Show me Im wrong.

Steve,

Holding back or deleting winning systems.   I can vouch on that one, I have seen a lot of working systems that have fallen down the cracks.

I know, you will bash me on this one...  I like to visit, old systems and tweak them in a way and see what happens.

This week was time for me to visit ANDRUCHI's system.  After looking at the code behind the excel file. I can tell you this much.. It was 100% scam. 

I have said to everyone and so has Winkel, knowing GUT you can play it anywhere live dealer, air balll or  RNG.  It will be a winner.  It won't make you rich but it will give you a decent life.

Back to andruchi, he has said only certain casino's for me that is a sign right away to run . That it is a scam. If it's going to work, it should work on any roulette algorithm.

[Steve]

We have to agree to disagree on this one. But maybe ill be proven wrong or right with the upcoming multiplayer roulette.

[Azim]

Well steve,

Everyone to their own.  Like I said we are looking at 2 different fruits. Both the same color does not mean they are the same.

You looked at GUT as being betting on sleepers and repeaters. I look at it as reading the TROT. So we have our difference right there.

[Azim]

TRUE, people who will play it will prove us all wrong.