For the MATHS boys

[whoisthewomanme]

Hmm... good points!

[Azim]

Turner...
Azim...

Guys,

I'm not here to help you.  I merely came here for information from certain people in certain locations.  That's it. 

Along the way, I may offer some advice but that's it.  Not to insult anyone...but the infection of ignorance runs way to deep for many of the systems players to be "saved" by anyone.

That was proved 12 years ago when you attacked Winkel and had him stop.

It's people like you who make the world for what it is now..  IGNORANT

[RouletteGhost]

this is the guy that caused Winkle to stop!!

NO

what a jerk

Seriously. Someone puts in hard work. And tests and explanations then you come rain on the parade

WHY if you dont believe this stuff why come?

[RouletteGhost]

Defeats the whole damn purpose of the board now im pissed off

One man does such damage

Shouldve been ignored from the start!

Cut off

[Azim]

Anyone? >> Questions.....name me a 5 year method on this board that is "very" active still today. If you cant find one, why not?

Also, do you feel the KTF thread will still be active 5 years from now? If no, why not?

Ken

Ken, Like I said to Steve,  there are very nice systems on the forum. Not everyone is blessed to understand them.

Take an example of this one, I am still trying to understand it, It has merit. Again, the math guys will defer.

link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9330.0

[Steve]

There are still the same fallacies going on here. From link:://:.roulettephysics.com/roulette-strategy/ :

FICTION: You Only Need a Short-Term Winning Strategy
There are many strategies that aim to win perhaps +1 unit each day. It will hardly cover the cost of car parking. But still let’s use this as an example and say your goal was to win just +1 unit. It seems simple enough, right? Many players have claimed they have a holy grail that will win a set amount per day, but the strategy’s rules require you to leave after winning the target amount.
Ask yourself:

1.   * If the strategy worked, wouldn’t playing more mean winning more?
2.   * What if 10,000 players all used the same system? Would they all win +1 unit?
3.   * What if 1 player used the same system 10,000 times?

A roulette strategy either wins in the long-term, or loses in the long-term. Whether you bet on just 1 spin, or 1,000 spins, the casino will have the same edge over you. That is unless you are able to change the odds of winning.

Seriously, nobody is going to ever play 2M spins. If you are using this argument to validate a system as effective, you are missing the point, and dont understand the house edge.

About the multi player game, Steve,  will we be able to see past spins?

If you mean the marquee showing last spins, yes.

1. As general said, "advantage play" means the player has an advantage. Any advantage player system increases the accuracy of predictions. VB is just one way of doing that.

2. There is always this bullshit divide between system players and APs. Actually its more the system players that have the problem with APs, because they dont like what we say. All we say is "you need to improve your odds of winning". It's not arrogance or ignorance. It's simple fact.

3. VB is NOT complicated. It's remarkably simple. On the right wheel, you can begin betting and profiting after 30 or so spins. Is that a lot of data? See the free VB technique on my home page. Really to criticize VB is like criticizing physics itself. Its just ONE way of achieving an edge (improving odds). RBRBRBRBRRRBR etc is no comparison.

4. Every system that works uses past data. BUT the difference is a losing method expects after RBRBRBRB than R will spin next. Whereas VB looks at how far the ball will usually bounce, based on testing. It's very different use of previous data.

5. General HAS explained it in english many times, as have I. Now he's being asked to explain it again. It's really simple. The payouts are unfair for the odds. For example, a single number pays 35-1, but the odds are 1 in 37. If the payout was fair, it would be 36-1 (not 35-1). The only way to overcome this is to improve your odds, to something like 30-1. That's all AP is. Increasing your odds. Arguing against AP is not just like arguing against what works, it IS arguing against what works.

If you want something of substance, again it has been repeated so many times. But it isnt being understood:  The payouts are unfair for the odds. For example, a single number pays 35-1, but the odds are 1 in 37. If the payout was fair, it would be 36-1 (not 35-1). The only way to overcome this is to improve your odds, to something like 30-1.


6. To summarize Thorp, you need to increase accuracy of predictions. Again the concept is very simple.

7. I read the original GUT thread with Herb's "attacks". I didnt see them as attacks at all. He was actually pointing out some facts, and was Herb attacked for that. He was not raining on anyone's parade, unless you consider "pointing out the obvious" to be raining on the parade.

The experienced members know Herb/General is one of the more experienced members. But the information he is trying to convey is something even an inexperienced AP would know. I'm not being condescending, ignorant or arrogant. Just look at the basic science. Its right there in front of your nose.

[Azim]

Steve, I guess we all see things differently.

I will leave it at that for now.

[RouletteGhost]

Id take a lesson from winkel or twocat sam or GLC anyday over general

[RouletteGhost]

VB is simple?

Link please

[Steve]

RG, see link:://:.roulettephysics.com/#visual-ballistics-using-eyesight-to-predict-winning-numbers

Basically:

1. Use one of many simple techniques to estimate when the ball is at a specific speed. At this speed, the ball may have perhaps 6 revolutions to go.

2. At the point in step 1 above, note which number is beneath the diamond. Call this number "A".

3. Where the ball lands is number "B"

4. Chart distance between A and B. Repeat the step for however many spins you need.

5. Look for "peaks" groups of high bars in chart, and bet chips based on the distance between number "A" and location of the peak(s).

There you have it. As basic as VB gets. Whether or not it works depends on the wheel and conditions you play in.

VB techniques can get a lot more complicated and more accurate, but some are unrealistic and difficult despite the logic being sound.

But anyway all this is pretty much meaningless unless you understand WHY you need to increase accuracy of predictions. I suggest everyone just focus on that one point before anything. Do that, then you will understand what we're harping on about.

[Turner]

Now it really shows how ignorant you are to the game.

I disagree, I think that what Caleb doesnt know about Roulette isnt worth knowing.

I have great respect for his knowledge

He is a clever bloke but unfortunately he is  a rubbish orator

I'm not here to help you. 

Well its a good job your heros, Thorpe and Barnhardt didnt take that approach or you would be stuffed.

[MrJ]

Regarding VB, I have always wondered if betting on the numbers most clustered on the wheel, is a short cut for VB?

Ken

[RouletteGhost]

i have thought to see if any of the older airball wheels at my local casino have a dominant diamond

[The General]

Sorry, but the Winkel stuff was nonsense.  If you don't comprehend why, then try eating some comfort food.  Try a chocolate chip cookie. 

[RouletteGhost]

Sorry, but the Winkel stuff was nonsense.  If you don't comprehend why, then try eating some comfort food.  Try a chocolate chip cookie.

chunky.