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Re: Holy Grail By Winkel.
« Reply #589 on: Yesterday at 10:49:48 PM »

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Guys,

You shouldn't have to test this to know that it won't work. 

ok I am ready to see your first test of GUT showing it failing

[The General]

I hope others can see that after enough time has passed, the house edge is the biggest reason that they will lose, and remain a loser. 

Variance = Luck.  Contrary to popular belief, variance is the gambler's friend... if they don't have the edge over the casino.  Without variance, then they simply can't win.

[Steve]

Holy crap this thread is out of control. Too many posts to keep up.

Azim:

Chart distance between A and B. Repeat the step for however many spins you need.
You guys are just putting words in peoples mouth. What has previous spins got to do with future spins? Isn'that what all Math guys say?

It's like saying if you drop a rubber ball 10 times, from a height of 100cm, and it bounces around 30cm each time.... then that's looking at past data to predict future drops. In this case, its the right way to look at history.

But the "losing systems" would take an approach like "consider the moon's position, the day of the week, the hour of the day,... and try and correlate the ball bounce to those variables". It just doesnt work. You need to look at history that relates to the real world and actually has a direct influence on results.

Putting it into perspective:

The past sequence of RBRBRBRB etc has NO INFLUENCE on the future RBRBRB etc.

[The General]

Rouletteghost,

The number of pockets on the wheel determines the probability of winning.

If the same number of pockets remain on the wheel from one spin to the next, then how could the probability of winning possibly change based on what has or has not hit on the prior spins?  What is the physical force that could possible enable past spins to reach forward in time from the past and change the odds?  Is it the strong, weak, gravity, or electromagnetic?  Or is it magic?  Pick one.  Explain how the time travel of the past numbers is possible!


Winkel's  GUT system was nothing more than a goofy attempt to exploit the "law of the third".   Since it each spin of the wheel is an independent event, and since the system was in no way designed to exploit a defective gaming device, and since it did not improve the players ability to predict where the ball would likely impact the wheel on the next spin, it was a foolish waste of words.

In the end, it's because of "since" . 

Now take heart..I won't post anything else in this thread to bring anyone down.  I don't want to do that.  So feel free to come up with a zillion different reasons as to why I'm wrong, so that you can justify your cause and to continue onward with your dream and believe system.

[RouletteGhost]

Holy crap this thread is out of control. Too many posts to keep up.

its the right way to look at history.

its the right way to look at history.....in YOUR opinion

[RouletteGhost]

Rouletteghost,

The number of pockets on the wheel determine the probability of winning.

If the same number of pockets remain on the wheel from one spin to the next, then how could the probability of winning possibly change based on what has or has not hit on the prior spins?  What is the physical force that could possible enable past spins to reach forward in time from the past and change the odds?  Is it the strong, weak, gravity, or electromagnetic?  Or is it magic?  Pick one.

Winkel's  GUT system was nothing more than a goofy attempt to exploit the "law of the third".   Since it each spin of the wheel is an independent event, and since the system was in no way designed to exploit a defective gaming device, and since it did not improve the players ability to predict where the ball would likely impact the wheel on the next spin, it was a foolish waste of words.

In the end, it's because of "since" . 

Now take heart..I won't post anything else in this thread to bring anyone down.  I don't want to do that.  So feel free to come up with a zillion different reasons as to why I'm wrong, so that you can justify your cause and to continue onward with your dream and believe system.

i am not debating that with you. a defective device and visual ballistics WORKS

what i am asking from you is a test showing GUT failing

and you are not providing that

so your words are empty

and if i was a VB player i sure as shit would not be here Id be winning somewhere

i dont care if GUT works or doesnt work. i dont care if KTF works or doesnt work. but back your words up. wheres the test

[RouletteGhost]

I wonder how The General would react to the Remote Viewing crowd

[Steve]

its the right way to look at history.....in YOUR opinion

RG:

1. Truth is not an "opinion"

2. To know what is truth, test. Do your own testing to see if methods like "the law of a third" can at all be used to change the odds.

Regarding the law of a third, some numbers will be repeats, some wont repeat. So what? It is common sense. But it doesnt tell you WHICH numbers will repeat or not hit. I mean I've never personally see every number spin once each in 37 spins. I dont think i'll ever see that.

[Steve]

I wonder how The General would react to the Remote Viewing crowd

If he had an open mind, he'd probably say it is possible. At least more possible than trying to beat roulette without changing the odds. Like trying to make 1+1=5

[BellagioOwner]

I've never personally see every number spin once each in 37 spins. I dont think i'll ever see that.

About that.  This is true.  The odds is like  playing 10 bets per second 24/7 365 for the age age of the universe*10 and you would still wait for it to happen!  LOL!
There is a funny but TOO costly progression on that.  Totally for fun and unplayable IRL  but would have been surefire  for 100 years of play in B&M casino.

[Azim]

Steve,

Do you want me to answer to your reply #140 on this thread or can we leave it as everyone sees things differently and leave at that?

[Steve]

Surely you can agree there's a difference between perception and truth.

[Azim]

Yes.

At the same time you have to agree too with what I have said.

A fruit with color red can be an apple or plum however some might see it as a tomato. 

Everyone looks at things differently.

See here is a good example.

Text message from husband to wife:

"Wish you were her".

He meant
"Wish you were here"

Words get mis read or thoughts get mis-interpreated.

[Steve]

Yeah but you are still talking about perception. A specific red fruit is only one thing. It doesnt matter who sees it as what. It doesnt change what it is.

And someone's incorrect spelling is very different from mathematical fact. Its like saying 1+1=3 for some people, but 1+1=2 for other people.

Anyway we are going in circles and its better to agree to disagree. And again I hope the multiplayer roulette will be a good argument resolver.

[Azim]

Yeah but you are still talking about perception. A specific red fruit is only one thing. It doesnt matter who sees it as what. It doesnt change what it is.

And someone's incorrect spelling is very different from mathematical fact. Its like saying 1+1=3 for some people, but 1+1=2 for other people.

Anyway we are going in circles and its better to agree to disagree. And again I hope the multiplayer roulette will be a good argument resolver.

Hope fully for those that play it.