For the MATHS boys

[Turner]

I hope others can see that after enough time has passed, the house edge is the biggest reason that they will lose, and remain a loser. 

Variance = Luck.  Contrary to popular belief, variance is the gambler's friend... if they don't have the edge over the casino.  Without variance, then they simply can't win.

Amen

No matter what clever, ingenious and creative method/system/tool (whatever you want to call it) you use to get to where you place chips on the carpet, a snapshot of those chips "in the moment" is subject to the HE.

Unless, you can prove mathematically that your bet selection has a better edge than the HE.

Thats where I am....with common sense.

[Priyanka]

Unless, you can prove mathematically that your bet selection has a better edge than the HE.

Amen on this but not on variance = luck.  If variance is luck you will never be able to figure out a bet selection mathematically that has an edge better than HE.  Variance follows the laws of statistics, it's not mere luck. Also variance is gamblers friend may not be completely true, only partially.  There is more to roulette than physics. Those who have had success using physics and not through maths are blind to see it as pockets, those who are having success with maths are able to see it as numbers and not pockets. One cannot see it with one eye. 

[The General]

If variance is luck you will never be able to figure out a bet selection mathematically that has an edge better than HE.  Variance follows the laws of statistics, it's not mere luck. Also variance is gamblers friend may not be completely true, only partially.

As far as the gambler is concerned variance is a double edged sword.  It's your bad luck, and it's your good luck.  Variance is described by statistics, and calculated by using math.

Roulette is won in the long term by exploiting the wheel, not the layout. 

Attempting to beat the random "game" of roulette is a fool's folly.

[maestro]

then we bet our god luck and bad luck see what comes more...

[Priyanka]

[quote author=The General link=topic=16774.msg150932#msg150932 date=1459356655

Roulette is won in the long term by exploiting the wheel, not the layout. 

Attempting to beat the random "game" of roulette is a fool's folly.
[/quote]
Only if you see the game as random.  The game is not random after all

[nottophammer]

As far as the gambler is concerned variance is a double edged sword.  It's your bad luck, and it's your good luck.  Variance is described by statistics, and calculated by using math.

Roulette is won in the long term by exploiting the wheel, not the layout. thats the best bit of hot air he's said

Attempting to beat the random "game" of roulette is a fool's folly.

[RouletteGhost]

I agree with priyanka

Its not as random as we think

There are LIMITS

we know a unique dozen formation wont repeat 4 times. We know red wont hit 30 times. We know 37 uniques wont hit in 37 spins

Things can be exploited

THATS why triggers work if they mean something

I love when priyanka says it has limits. So true!

Look at your past spins if u wish. I bet you wont see dozen formation 123 123 123 (3 times in a row)

Thats why if i see a uniqie dozen formation repeat and im at the wheel you better believe im going in hard

[ati]

Look at your past spins if u wish. I bet you wont see dozen formation 123 123 123 (3 times in a row)

Thats why if i see a unique dozen formation repeat and im at the wheel you better believe im going in hard

I'm afraid it's not that simple. Every combination will happen soon or later, only very extremes won't, but then you would have to wait 100k spins for one trigger.
It's very useful to have basic office skills so you can see what could happen. I've just generated 10k random numbers from 0 to 37, converted them to dozens, and look what I have found.


Believing that 123123123 won't happen is the same as believing that 210233221 won't happen.

[RouletteGhost]

I am curious. Whats the source of these numbers

Thanks ati

[ati]

These were generated by excel, so yeah it's rng 

But I'm very sure it happens live too every once in a while.

[RouletteGhost]

These were generated by excel, so yeah it's rng 

But I'm very sure it happens live too every once in a while.

Ive seen a repeat of unique dozen formation but never 3 or 4 times like u have shown

Rng.......

So very very rare if it does

I dont view rng as behaving like a wheel

If anyone has 123123123 with real wheel spins let me know

I thank you for the result but i dont coorelate rng with real wheel. No offense to you

[RouletteGhost]

Now, i think RNG can be fair and random. But i know it wont behave like a roulette wheel

Maybe im wrong...

Humans code these things to so there has to be a slight touch of pre determination

[ati]

I understand that, and just for fun, I will do the same test with live spins tomorrow. It's getting late here.

[keepontryin]

is 123123123  different then 321321321 or 231231231......because if you think it is and wont happen you better pull your head out of the sand

[RouletteGhost]

is 123123123  different then 321321321 or 231231231......because if you think it is and wont happen you better pull your head out of the sand

Why would i think 123123123 was any way special as opposed to 321321321. Thats a silly accusation and it was obviously an example. I could have said 231231231. Any unique formation...

I was using 123 as an example

Of course 123123123 formation can happen. But how often? Ive never seen it and ive studied multiple thousands of spins

Id be in profit by the time i lost....thats my point