For the MATHS boys

[Turner]

the wheel has no memory thats right

and 123 has the same chance of occuring everytime.........i dont know i just see something else deep within

same as we wont see 30 blacks

math says black has same chance everytime...but will we see 30 in a row? unlikely we will see 15 in a row...similar idea

math says dont use past spins. because number 30 has same chance of hitting everytime, but will we get 10 number 30s in a row?

THATS how i looks at dozen sequences. 123123123123 can happen but will it

You are right and wrong.

What are you going to do with your proposition?

The only thing to do to make your proposition have the maths advantage you have calculated is to sit at the table....dont look at the marque and say "there is a 25k to 1 chance that 123123123 wont happen"

first bet is 1u on D2 and 1u on D3. lose
Second bet is 3u on D1 and 3u on D3. lose
third bet is 9u on D1 and 9u on D2 lose

A third the way through this and 26u down

Do you continue?

next bet is 27u on D2 and 27u on D3

By the way, what is min bet for Dozens on your airball?

1231 isnt so rare is it?

[Azim]

Will not happen:

- numbers 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 to come out consecutively

- a number to hit 10 times back to back

- a unique sequence to repeat 4 times

-35 blacks in a row

Etc

The odds and probabilities are the same. But it wont happen. Why?

RG, somethings in life are meant to be. If you are one of those that believe in things happening. It will happen.  Not to that extent.

If, you go back to Nottos, daily files from Jackpot 247. If my memory serves right, there was a sequence of numbers that had happened. up to 4.

I can't remember the exact numbers but it did happen as example 10,11,12,13  this is an example not the exact numbers on the file.

So, when LUCK is not with you, it will happen.

[RouletteGhost]

This is the way i am looking at

You guys say it has the same odds every spin. And you are right. But WHY is there a limit

1) is number 30 hitting 12 times in a row the same probability as any 12 number combination? Yes

2) will 30 hit 12 times in a row? No

See?

[Steve]

You are asking the wrong question.

It WILL happen but that's not the point, because you'll find it still doesn't tell you, with any increase in accuracy, which numbers will spin next. You will find this from either lots of experimentation and wasted time, or the math.

To keep it simple, remember that every spin is independent, with the same probability (odds) on each spin. So WHY would a sequence of previous numbers make any difference? HOW could it increase accuracy of predictions? It doesnt.

[Turner]

RG, somethings in life are meant to be. If you are one of those that believe in things happening. It will happen.  Not to that extent.

If, you go back to Nottos, daily files from Jackpot 247. If my memory serves right, there was a sequence of numbers that had happened. up to 4.

I can't remember the exact numbers but it did happen as example 10,11,12,13  this is an example not the exact numbers on the file.

So, when LUCK is not with you, it will happen.

well its not so much about luck than table limits.

Roulette is beatable by betting red with a martingale. They just wont let you place 10 steps, let alone the theoretical 30

[Turner]

To keep it simple, remember that every spin is independent, with the same probability (odds) on each spin. So WHY would a sequence of previous numbers make any difference? HOW could it increase accuracy of predictions? It doesnt.

thats the rub

[Steve]

Even if there were no table limits, the martingale would NOT work because eventually you will blow your bankroll. It would only work if you had both no table limit AND unlimited bankroll.

[Azim]

well its not so much about luck than table limits.

Roulette is beatable by betting red with a martingale. They just wont let you place 10 steps, let alone the theoretical 30

Back to the same thing.  If luck was with you, you wouldn't have to go that far now, would you?

[Turner]

Even if there were no table limits, the martingale would NOT work because eventually you will blow your bankroll. It would only work if you had both no table limit AND unlimited bankroll.

my tongue was a little in my cheek, but I was making a point about how useless "limits of roulette" are

[Azim]

my tongue was a little in my cheek, but I was making a point about how useless "limits of roulette" are

I know, you were. But I was trying to Tell RG, no one might have noticed, but someone playing for that. Would have noticed the 4 series of numbers.

[Turner]

I propose we have more topics with Maths Boyz in the title. Ive enjoyed this one.

[Turner]

I know, you were. But I was trying to Tell RG, no one might have noticed, but someone playing for that. Would have noticed the 4 series of numbers.

sorry...I got giddy because I was excited

[Priyanka]

Will not happen:

- numbers 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 to come out consecutively

- a number to hit 10 times back to back

- a unique sequence to repeat 4 times

-35 blacks in a row

Etc

The odds and probabilities are the same. But it wont happen. Why?

RG.  There is only one answer to your question. 

the difference is between the specific sequence in which a particular event occurs and probability of it happening.  If you take 123 it is a particular sequence.  This has the same probability as 321 or 111 or 311.

Now 35 blacks in a row. Try understanding this. 2 spins. What is rare two blacks or one red and one black.  Two blacks obviously. Why? Two blacks can happen in two spins only one way BB. One red and one black can happen two ways RB and BR.

The situation changes if you ask whether RB is rare or BB is rare. Both have equal chances. 

That is why 35 blacks is so rare than 10 blacks and 25 reds. However the sequence with 35 blacks and any other 35 ec sequence is the same. 

This is not the problem.  The problem is whether you can take advantage of this fact? If you have to take advantage how will you. 

[Azim]

True, to what Turner has said about TOPIC with MATH GUYS AS TITLE..  However, There should be a clearance between which math boys.

See everyone looks at Math boys as being Roulette math boys.

I for one, will 100% agree to what they are saying to a novice.

However, the other math guys are your statistician who love to play with numbers. They eat, breath and sleep and do rest with numbers.
They would 100% agree with the Roulette math guys but Roulette math guys would never agree with them.

[Steve]

What is rare two blacks or one red and one black.  Two blacks obviously. Why? Two blacks can happen in two spins only one way BB. One red and one black can happen two ways RB and BR.

This isnt true. BB is the same as BB and RB and BR. BB and BB could be two different black numbers, but it wouldnt matter anyway because they have the same odds on each spin anyway.