For The System Junkies

[The General]

"$30,000 Betting System Challenge
Eight years and counting without a taker."
(started April 2008)
Last update: January 2016

"Any betting system that promises to make you a winner is junk, and I'm so confident about this that I'm putting my money where my mouth is:  I'll wager $30,000 against any system seller's $3,000 that their betting system can't beat the house.  (Or I'll wager my $10,000 against their $1,000, if they prefer.)  My goal is to show that every huckster selling a "winning system" on the Internet for $29.95 (or whatever) is selling garbage.  Not a single one of these scam artists has ever put their system to the test with me.  The reason is simple:  They know their systems don't work."-Bluejay
link:://vegasclick.com/gambling/betting-system-challenge.html

[Steve]

or link:://:.roulettephysics.com/100k-challenge/

Some people actually believe their system works, but perhaps not over 20,000 or so spins. Simply a winning system means the more you play, the more you win. If you need to set a spin limit, then any winnings are due to simple luck

[pcsoftdiy]

It is easy to pass 200k spins. I even can pass 1m. But it is quite difficult to pass another 1m.

[MrJ]

I always make these two points when I see this.

A) Profit means any amount, correct? Up $5 after 1 million spins?

B) It sometimes feels like, the person offering this challenge wins both ways. If the author of the method can not produce a winner, so-n-so wins the challenge. If the author DOES win the challenge, he gets paid but so-n-so paying him NOW HAS a winning method. You can use that method to make back what you had to pay out and then some. Its a no lose situation.

Ken

[ati]

I think you're right with your B point. I also think that there are people out there who could win Steve's challenge any day, but would it worth it for them? Probably not.

Attached graph is form a well respected former member, who tested his system that he played professionally. 1M spins, all flat bet.

[Azim]

I always make these two points when I see this.

A) Profit means any amount, correct? Up $5 after 1 million spins?

B) It sometimes feels like, the person offering this challenge wins both ways. If the author of the method can not produce a winner, so-n-so wins the challenge. If the author DOES win the challenge, he gets paid but so-n-so paying him NOW HAS a winning method. You can use that method to make back what you had to pay out and then some. Its a no lose situation.

Ken

I said that before!!!!

Exactly Ken. So when people ask what's the proof,in my opinion its a dumb question.

In one way, I agree with Steve, if a system has sound rules, you can run it against a million spins.

However, when you have to make a decision, it's hard for some to program different situation to pass a million spins.
Having said that, doesn't mean it's not doable. It took me around 8-9 months to get the GUT bot to par. Does that mean I want to part with it, to prove to someone that it can pass a 1m spin.

Especially, if I have to disclose the thinking behind it. Is it worth doing that for 100K?(I could make more with it over a year). That's one of the reasons, I don't part with my bot's. People get greedy and start to run it 24/7. Just like what I did with KTF.

[MrJ]

You are right Azim.

Ken

[TurboGenius]

I think you're right with your B point. I also think that there are people out there who could win Steve's challenge any day, but would it worth it for them? Probably not.

Attached graph is form a well respected former member, who tested his system that he played professionally. 1M spins, all flat bet.

That make-believe chart is great. I hate to tell you but that's faked.

[MrJ]

That make-believe chart is great. I hate to tell you but that's faked.

Not enough deep drops.

Ken

[Steve]

1. My "challenge" is not just a challenge. It's an offer to buy the system.

2. I dont know who did that chart, but I dont believe it is real either. It's an excel chart anyone could create. Excel is not something you'd use for testing a system over 1m spins. You'd either use RX or a custom coded program.

[TurboGenius]

1. My "challenge" is not just a challenge. It's an offer to buy the system.

2. I dont know who did that chart, but I dont believe it is real either. It's an excel chart anyone could create. Excel is not something you'd use for testing a system over 1m spins. You'd either use RX or a custom coded program.

Exactly (point #2)

[pcsoftdiy]

1. My "challenge" is not just a challenge. It's an offer to buy the system.

2. I dont know who did that chart, but I dont believe it is real either. It's an excel chart anyone could create. Excel is not something you'd use for testing a system over 1m spins. You'd either use RX or a custom coded program.

I downloaded 2m spins from Steve's website. But one file is double-zero spins. I don't think there is a method to beat RNG double-zero for 1m spins.

[The General]

Pcsoftdiy,

There's probably just a bug in your simulation program.  No big deal.

[pcsoftdiy]

Pcsoftdiy,

There's probably just a bug in your simulation program.  No big deal.

I don't think so. RX strategy code is pretty easy to program.

200k spins is nothing because at this moment the table limits of most online casino are high enough to prevent the house edge to beat us in 200k spins.

Any one who focus on long and safe progression money management can make it.

However, the ROI is not good at all. I just attach one of my test pic here. The max drawdown is 148k units, the profit in 200k spins is 140k units. It means I will prepare more than 148k to make 140k in 200k spins. The ROI is less than 1:1. But it will cost 200k spins time.

There is no winning system that can win more when play more unless we find real random secret

[pcsoftdiy]

"$30,000 Betting System Challenge
Eight years and counting without a taker."
(started April 2008)
Last update: January 2016

"Any betting system that promises to make you a winner is junk, and I'm so confident about this that I'm putting my money where my mouth is:  I'll wager $30,000 against any system seller's $3,000 that their betting system can't beat the house.  (Or I'll wager my $10,000 against their $1,000, if they prefer.)  My goal is to show that every huckster selling a "winning system" on the Internet for $29.95 (or whatever) is selling garbage.  Not a single one of these scam artists has ever put their system to the test with me.  The reason is simple:  They know their systems don't work."-Bluejay
link:://vegasclick.com/gambling/betting-system-challenge.html

Sorry, I did not read your page carefully. If br is only $5000 - 1000 units for minimum $5 table limits, at this moment I can not pass 200k.

I always make test based on from min-1 unit to max-1000 unit on straight number which most casino has.

Betvoyager is even from 1 to 10000 on straight  number.

Maybe in this forum we can make the br and table limits clearly then we can produce some code to try to pass it.