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[ignatus]

Hi Ignatius, good work.
On that bad session there were around 30 spins between winning hits. How about summing all the non-winning spins from all sessions to find the average?

I don't understand your question :S sorry for my bad english 

[ignatus]

Ignatus - stop loss is a non existent phenomenon if you are flat betting.

can't be so. Losses must be limited, you can't play on forever when a bad session comes.

[psimoes]

working on it.wait please

[psimoes]

On the first report you waited 15 spins for a hot number to appear, right? Then you had to bet for about 37 spins before the winning hit.
Next you bet for one or two spins before a winning hit.
Next, 7 spins before a win.
Next, you waited three spins for the trigger and won the first bet.

We don´t count the waiting spins, just the actual bets: 37+2+7+0=46 Next we count the winning hits (4) and divide 46/4=11.5
11.5 is the average of non winning spins for that session. Do the same for all the sessions. Or get a high enough number of sessions, find the longest losing run and divide it by two. Because the shortest run between hits is zero. Any attack longer than the average could be considered too risky and there would be the stop loss. Or you could use a light progression.

[ignatus]

Good ideas. Question is how many losing spins before STOP....
I'm thinking if one cycle is lost (12 spins) STOP wait for a virtual win, that way long losing streaks can be avoided?

...I still need a concrete answer to a working stoploss. :S

Thanks

[Turner]

Ignatus - stop loss is a non existent phenomenon if you are flat betting.

i.e. if you are flat betting your bet selection should have some edge?

[RouletteGhost]

My opinion. Ok to disagree

A stoploss should be created after extensively testing a system

Im in the priyanka camp: roulette has limits

That being said. Test a system extensively. You do a great job with that

Then after enough tests you should know the win goal and stop loss

For example, just an example.  KTF. I know you dont play it but its a good example as of late. Most games never reach 400 negative so 400 stoploss seems ok. By the time you reach 400 should be profit left

[ignatus]

My opinion. Ok to disagree

A stoploss should be created after extensively testing a system

Im in the priyanka camp: roulette has limits

That being said. Test a system extensively. You do a great job with that

Then after enough tests you should know the win goal and stop loss

For example, just an example.  KTF. I know you dont play it but its a good example as of late. Most games never reach 400 negative so 400 stoploss seems ok. By the time you reach 400 should be profit left

stoploss at 400u (playing with 1u bets?)

That would be

400*5=2000u playing with 5u bet
400*25=10 000u playing with 25u bets

...and so on.

well then, my original idea was better

1u bets 200u stoploss
5u bets 1000u stoploss
25u bets 5000u stoploss

90% of the times stoploss is not reached, but i was only afraid of losing all profits with such a stoploss? the KTF stoploss idea was worse than mine :S....

[ignatus]

i.e. if you are flat betting your bet selection should have some edge?

yes, ofcourse, but even with the best betselection losses DO happen, and the question is then what is a good stoploss (when to quit..)

The idea to play without stoploss is a very bad idea

[RouletteGhost]

1u bets 200u stoploss
5u bets 1000u stoploss
25u bets 5000u stoploss

90% of the times stoploss is not reached

Cant argue with that

Any gambler should have a stoploss

[psimoes]

Good ideas. Question is how many losing spins before STOP....
I'm thinking if one cycle is lost (12 spins) STOP wait for a virtual win, that way long losing streaks can be avoided?

...I still need a concrete answer to a working stoploss. :S

Thanks

I don´t know man, you´re betting three numbers for 12 spins. Isn´t that already a stoploss, because you then move to another bet selection?...

Regarding the virtual win, I´d take a good look at the curves in all the graphics, and watch the second wins after long losing runs, the first one being your virtual win. If most second wins appear early, it might be worth it. These are only suggestions.

[ignatus]

I don´t know man, you´re betting three numbers for 12 spins. Isn´t that already a stoploss, because you then move to another bet selection?...

Regarding the virtual win, I´d take a good look at the curves in all the graphics, and watch the second wins after long losing runs, the first one being your virtual win. If most second wins appear early, it might be worth it. These are only suggestions.

I played with that idea, and it worked real good! (many losses were avoided!)

[ignatus]

39/40 Games won

NOTE. Addition to the rules: STOP After 12 spins, (and wait for a virtual win before betting again!) These 12 spins are calculated with ALL new hotnumbers bet.

[3Nine]

Ignatus - stop loss is a non existent phenomenon if you are flat betting.

If you have an advantage, yes.  If you don't, stop loss is required.

[psimoes]

Interesting graphic, the nr. 39...

That´s a promising method. Good job Ignatius. Keep on testing.