GUT 2.0

[SimonZed1]

Do the graphs show when 2x's become 3x's, i find this happens more often than not, they become 3x's after the 20th spin,

Yes, it shows up to 4 repeats.

It shows all the deviation according to the expected value. The graphs are so well made. It really turned my light on!! It explains very well what is a fast, slow, and normal trot, and show's it on graphs compared to expected values.

A lot of work has been put in this eBook. The guy who wrote it is an excellent professor. I have to re-read it again, cause I'm bot sure I got everything the first time.

Simon,

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More than one person can tell the same truth.
I have nothing against you Winkel - and I haven't read your posts, and I know (seriously) not even what GUT is about.
I didn't ride the wave with everyone else - I wasn't on the forums for a while... so...
All I could read was comments made presently about the topic.
That things weren't explained clearly, that posts were removed - that everyone seemed to
be excited about this amazing topic yet didn't know how it really worked.
This 'person' comes along with a product for sale that explains it all - here we are.
I still won't get on the wave though lol. I still don't know what it's about.

My aggression (if there is/was any) is towards the person selling this product when common sense
would tell anyone that something that works isn't going to be sold for a small price. It's nonsense.
So - that said (even though I said that I was done posting in this thread).
2 or more people can tell the same truth lol.
You can go to a college and find 10 professors teaching the same math - but there will always be students who think that they know more - that what they're hearing is not true, etc.
You will also get lots of students who resent the teacher and say stupid things like "That professor thinks he KNOWS EVERYTHING" - ie. "btw you are doing this ego-thing with every post you write"
I haven't made a single post to stroke my own ego - I'm posting the truth, the facts - pointing people in the right directions and away from the fallacy and lies (and blatant deception by scammers and system sellers).

"History tells us: Don´t trust people who claim to be the keeper of the truth!"
What history is that ? That quote is nonsense.
Tell that to Galileo - poor guy. Stupid lies about the earth being round. Don't trust HIM !
There are billions of people who believe the lie that there is a God - some 'supreme being' in the sky who watches every move they make. Billions of people. People "want" the lie, it makes them happy and content. People who tell the truth are always the bad guys in the group. So be it.

Ok enough lol - Again I'm done with this thread. I find it a waste of my time and energy and insulting to my intelligence to constantly have to defend myself. It's a bit silly.

My take on this whole crock.

GUT works, I know it does, but you have to practice and really study the game to get good with it.  That is the hard part, and most will give up before having to put in the effort and use some brain cells to really learn how to do something well that requires effort.  Winkel came up with a really great idea, but while trying to explain it got attacked so much his explanations were hard to understand and he gave up trying to explain it after a while.

This person has written a book and made a tracker that explains it better and is asking for a reward for his hard work. What is wrong with that, why shouldn't he be rewarded for his hard work if it is well written and clear.  Apparently he has even given Winkel credit.  He is not giving away a secret, it is already out there.

I also, am completely against sellers of systems that just do not work.  This is not the same.

Disclaimer:  I am not associated with the seller, but I know how to play GUT, having studied it for a few years when it was originally published. I choose to use easier to play methods that work for me.

[SimonZed1]

This person has written a book and made a tracker that explains it better and is asking for a reward for his hard work. What is wrong with that, why shouldn't he be rewarded for his hard work if it is well written and clear.  Apparently he has even given Winkel credit.  He is not giving away a secret, it is already out there.

Winkel is mentioned on almost every page of the eBook. The author never said that he invented the method. He says thru all the book that it all come from Winkel.

The only thing he does is explain everything like if he was in from of a classroom. Everything is explained crystal clear.

I didnt tried the tracker yet beacose I dont have Excel. I will have to find something else like open office that can run it.

Knowledge is Power. I bought the book beacose I did not understood the trot even after reading, re-reading, beeing explained, etc... This ebook made me understand it in less than 10 minutes.

All the work the guy put in this book is WAY worth the price.

Simon.


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[Mortagon]

There are billions of people who believe the lie that there is a God - some 'supreme being' in the sky who watches every move they make.

"O sancta simplicitas!"
Illiteracy is forgivable nescience,but ignorance is unforgivable knowledge!

Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!

** Includes prayer.

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Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!

** Includes prayer.

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[The General]

Since this is in the for sale section, I will comment on the GUT nonsense.

There's no mathematical proof that it could or should work.  Numbers on the wheel don't  know when they've been crossed, and they don’t know when they're due to hit.

Anyone that claims otherwise should put up the math that proves it's better than random betting.

If you're playing with it, then keep your bets low and do so for entertainment only.

Sorry, just the facts.

-The General

[KTFPissa]

There's no mathematical proof that it could or should work.  Numbers on the wheel don't  know when they've been crossed, and they don’t know when they're due to hit.

Anyone that claims otherwise should put up the math that proves it's better than random betting.

Is there a mathematical proof that it could not or should not work. I will love to see that.
Anyone who claims it does not work should put up the math that proves it should not work.

Naysayers, don't know where that bunch comes from.

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Is there a mathematical proof that it could not or should not work. I will love to see that.
Anyone who claims it does not work should put up the math that proves it should not work.

Naysayers, don't know where that bunch comes from.

The chances of any math lovers putting up proof that it can't work is about as good as seeing pigs fly south for the winter.  Words just words.

[nottophammer]

Heres why when math fcuks up like this, they wont put nothing up as math dont have any bareing in the simple game of roulette

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Re: just a question. ..
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2016, 07:39:27 AM »

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Its not 1/37 at all

Its 1/37 x 1/37

Once ever 1370 spins

But thats the same for your 12 being followed by 6
We see back to back numbers all the time, i showed a sheet where it happened 5 times in 60 spins

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Heres why when math fcuks up like this, they wont put nothing up as math dont have any bareing in the simple game of roulette

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Re: just a question. ..
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2016, 07:39:27 AM »

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Its not 1/37 at all

Its 1/37 x 1/37

Once ever 1370 spins

But thats the same for your 12 being followed by 6
We see back to back numbers all the time, i showed a sheet where it happened 5 times in 60 spins

so can you elaborate on why you have singled me out personally.

i would be interested to know the reason

[nottophammer]

Nothing personal Turner you've helped me out on some math before, but its just an example where the math figure says this, but in reality it dont react like math shows.

[psimoes]

Notto, I see you keep posting that, but the truth is you don´t understand what it says. The chance of ANY number to repeat itself is 1 every 37 spins. Why? Because all the 37 have the same chance of hitting. Right? (When you see two, three or more numbers hitting back-to-back in 37 spins or less it´s variance at work. Take advantage of that, if you can. NOW what the math says about the 1/1370 is the CHANCE OF A SPECIFIC NUMBER to repeat itself. Try to grasp it! Imagine you are betting for number 25 to hit back-to-back. Only that number 25, not any other. You got one chance in 1370 spins for that 25 to repeat itself. Even if you see  say, the number 12 hitting back-to-back, followed by number 3, back-to-back, doesn´t matter (you weren´t betting on those). You happen to see number 25 hitting back to back it´ll take per average another 1370 spins to repeat itself again. It´s not difficult to understand at all.

[Turner]

Nothing personal Turner you've helped me out on some math before, but its just an example where the math figure says this, but in reality it dont react like math shows.

The point is, if its thats simple, and thats the reality, just play the last number. Why sit there scribbling away and risking 260u draw downs when we can play last number

I dont know where people get it from that I am some kind of maths guy. My maths is average. O level C grade. I did advanced maths in my HND but it was Laplace transforms and matrices, not probability.

[psimoes]

The point is, if its thats simple, and thats the reality, just play the last number. Why sit there scribbling away and risking 260u draw downs when we can play last number

Exactly. In practical terms that´s how you would take advantage of it. There´s more to it, of course, you can also bet the second last number to repeat as well, same probability. But let´s keep it simple.
It might work well for some time to the extend some rookie player would think he/she had found the holy graal, but the sad truth is: if you happen to bet and win on say three numbers hitting back to back in 37 spins,  chances are variance will correct itself and you won´t see any repeaters like those in the next 111 spins, resulting in a big loss.

[psimoes]

And sorry for putting myself in the middle of your debates, it´s just waving misinformation around like a flag against Math is quite annoying. Math won´t make you win at Roulette, how could when it even says you can´t win it. But it helps you stay out of trouble.