GUT 2.0

[Tamino]

The  General does it his way . Like it or  not.  I for my part approve of "His WAY".

[TurboGenius]

General,

You've made your point in every single topic you've entered just move on.  You sound like a broken record and no one cares, wait system/strategy players dont care.

Ok - so :

Is there a mathematical proof that it could not or should not work. I will love to see that.
Anyone who claims it does not work should put up the math that proves it should not work.

Naysayers, don't know where that bunch comes from.

The chances of any math lovers putting up proof that it can't work is about as good as seeing pigs fly south for the winter.  Words just words.

Amazing right ?

Facts are presented
Ask or demand for proof -
proof is supplied.
Complain about the person saying the truth

Knowledge is Power.

It appears knowledge that is true or not is only power if people agree - even when they are wrong.
Like I (well, someone else said)
“The masses have never thirsted after truth. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim.” Gustave Le Bon

The REAL problem is - the system/method/strategy people (myself included) and the "math people" (myself included) are NOT the enemy and aren't on both sides of the coin. They can actually agree.
We can do both and win. You can use math and win. You can also not listen to what people have to say unless you agree with them - "Ignorance is bliss"

[Tamino]

" Knowledge is Power". That`s why we need  CIA and MI 6.

[KTFPissa]

Ask or demand for proof -
proof is supplied.

Where is the proof? General has written a paragraph from the book from Edward. What if Edward is the inventor of card counting. Going back to your galileo example, Galileo was not believed just because Ptolemy wrote the geocentric model before him. Just because someone writes something it is not a proof. It is more like media and truth.

Ho hum

If I remember right,  in place of this post there was a crap mathematical equation which just said there is a house edge. It had nothing to do with disproving GUT. It was removed and modified just with a "ho hum" probably because people in this forum are not wise enough to understand it.

Also General, I had very high regards of yourselves. Why twist the truth. The last sentence you have written there saying "this statement is not applicable for VB and bias based methods" should read "Of all roulette methods I have ever come across this is not applicable for VB and bias based methods". I am sure the book was written before GUT was written in the forum and hence automatically GUT is not something the esteemed Dr has not come across. Even if consider your paragraph as a proof then automatically GUT is excluded from it.

I am no one to say you should trust GUT, as there is no mathematical proof that has been made available or at least I have not seen one. In the same way, I have not seen a proof that explicitly proves that GUT does not work. I challenge you to publish a proof if you can. Writing an equation that talks about how house edge eventually takes over any betting position does not work and you know that clearly.

The REAL problem is - the system/method/strategy people (myself included) and the "math people" (myself included) are NOT the enemy and aren't on both sides of the coin. They can actually agree.
We can do both and win. You can use math and win. You can also not listen to what people have to say unless you agree with them - "Ignorance is bliss"

Well said TurboGenius. The problem is "Ignorance is bliss" applies to the so called "math people" as well. Why get lost in the house edge equation, when there are number of ways you can beat the game using math. Taking the right example, you claim to beat the math game using math. I bet you are not using physical variable methods like bias and vb. So is General saying based on the so called proof posted that your method for roulette will not work and eventually house edge will catch you as it is not based on bias or vb. Do you agree to the proof that you dont have a method that will win long term?

[KTFPissa]

By the way, they indeed do that sometimes.

[TurboGenius]

I bet you are not using physical variable methods like bias and vb. So is General saying based on the so called proof posted that your method for roulette will not work and eventually house edge will catch you as it is not based on bias or vb. Do you agree to the proof that you dont have a method that will win long term?

I don't use bias or vb - yet I know from experience that they both work nicely.
I can't speak for him - but I am quite sure that he would say that my 'method' will fail and can't
overcome the house edge given enough time.
I just haven't converted him yet lol. I have my own proof that what I use works...
If I post that or not is another story, but I do intend to.

[RouletteGhost]

but I do intend to.

thats a breath of fresh air

many dont

admittedly because they do not want to share, are selfish, or do not want to give it to people that do not try

[TurboGenius]

I think once the multiplayer site is working fine and the ranking is worked out as it should be.....
there won't be any question as to "if what I do works or not".
The argument can be made that this won't be enough spins - but I'm willing to play and bet on as many as possible. Results speak for themselves.

[TurboGenius]

thats a breath of fresh air
many dont
admittedly because they do not want to share, are selfish, or do not want to give it to people that do not try

Well, there are other problems also that go along with it.
Sometimes the best option is to be quiet, other times the best option is to share.

[RouletteGhost]

Well, there are other problems also that go along with it.
Sometimes the best option is to be quiet, other times the best option is to share.

the worst is posting something you have worked hard on, spent a lot of time on

then have it bashed

i seem like i have a short fuse and am crazy at times

THAT all started with a method by lanky

i spent days writing it up. making charts. explaining it. and created a forum for it. then people like mogul came and bashed it. I eveb PMed many many members who i felt deserved it. people are too ungrateful

MAN IS THAT FRUSTRATING

the attackers are members who have never shared a method they worked on. probably because they have not worked on much.

it will drag ya down

thats why i felt sorry for winkel

why did herb have to do what he did to winkel...if he is not a system player anyways

[TurboGenius]

You just have to ignore some people - even though sometimes that's virtually impossible to do so. I know that I can't. 

[RouletteGhost]

take hours/days to put things together

have it bashed

it will make you bitter real fast

[TurboGenius]

lol.
How about making systems - giving them away for free with full instructions and then someone takes that and sells it.
Or better yet - on my 'free' site I had a donation button (OH damn - everyone at GG jumped on me about that)
Just don't get bitter - you'll just end up yelling at kids on your grass all day lol

[RouletteGhost]

lol.
How about making systems - giving them away for free with full instructions and then someone takes that and sells it.
Or better yet - on my 'free' site I had a donation button (OH damn - everyone at GG jumped on me about that)
Just don't get bitter - you'll just end up yelling at kids on your grass all day lol

getting bitter was my worst downfall here

its MY LAWN

[nottophammer]

Gone quiet, must all be studying.
I'm off to the bookies now, perhaps Mr j's on his way to the B+M