Its not KTF

[KTFPissa]

A lot of people in the chat asked me whether I play KTF. While I like the fact that it is a system that has gone so many days without losing and I like the sincerity in which that westham fan promotes the system, I dont play it. Nottophammer, we were playing once in the olympic stadium and was proud to move out of it to allianz. Wish that day for your as well.

The most prominent system I play is on 12 numbers. People playing in B%M step aside, as this will be best suited for online play with those favourite bet saving buttons, one for each dozen on numbers.

I start recording until we get 12 numbers. Now after the 12 numbers, I wait for the next spin. If it is outside the 12, I play the remaining 25 numbers. If it is not, I dont play. If it is outside the 12 numbers I wait for once until it goes back to the 12 numbers and comes back. If at any time in profit of more than 50, I come out and start tracking. If not I keep playing this. Once we reach 24 numbers, then i shuffle the numbers in 2. I play the opposite of 12 numbers that just arrived until a repeat happens.

The numbers are borrowed from KTF thread. link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16512.msg153538#msg153538. If you KTFPissa it, this is how it will look like.

14, 16 upto 9 in spin 16 when I get 12 numbers.

15 not in 12. Play 25 numbers win. 17.   +11
24 in the 12 numbers. Play 12 numbers win. 19. +35
30 not in 12. Play 25 numbers win. 23. +46
No play until 34, as it is always the 25 numbers that was  not in 12. Then comes 34 which is in the 12. Play 12 numbers win. 32 in spin number 26.

+70 in 26 spins. All flat betting, no progression.

[Turner]

Ouch....lol. the westham thing sent my eyebrow up.....the single fingerprint on the glass confirms
Careless....tut..tut 

[tuddilue]

Interesting aproach. Can you please put up more examples when you run this?

I have 3 questions down below:

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I start recording until we get 12 numbers. Now after the 12 numbers, I wait for the next spin. If it is outside the 12, I play the remaining 25 numbers. If it is not, I dont play.  In the example below you do bet the 12 numbers? Can you explain more or do I miss something.. After #24..If it is outside the 12 numbers I wait for once until it goes back to the 12 numbers and comes back. If at any time in profit of more than 50, I come out and start tracking. If not I keep playing this.

This shuffle part I do not understand in the example. Can you please explain that more and give an example?
Once we reach 24 numbers, then i shuffle the numbers in 2. I play the opposite of 12 numbers that just arrived until a repeat happens.How long do you bet until a repeat happens?    

The numbers are borrowed from KTF thread. link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16512.msg153538#msg153538. If you KTFPissa it, this is how it will look like.

14, 16 upto 9 in spin 16 when I get 12 numbers.

15 not in 12. Play 25 numbers win. 17.   +11
24 in the 12 numbers. Play 12 numbers win. 19. +35
30 not in 12. Play 25 numbers win. 23. +46
No play until 34, as it is always the 25 numbers that was  not in 12. Then comes 34 which is in the 12. Play 12 numbers win. 32 in spin number 26.

+70 in 26 spins. All flat betting, no progression.

Thanks for a new method always interesting to test.

[NextYear]

@KTFPissa

Why is it that your username sounds familiar?
Should it mean something? Good or bad?

[nottophammer]

So you collect 12 unique, then dependent on the next spin, determines the next bet.
Today 12th unique is spin 14, next spin is out the 12 so bet the 25 #4 win, wait next spin #18 not one of the 12, would we bet the 25 again?

Code Select Expand

spin # non hit prog units win (+/-)
0 37
1 6 36
2 34 35
3 27 34
4 35 33
5 22 32 J247 20.04.16
6 14 31
7 1 30
8 25 29
9 9 28 stake
10 24 27 non-hit return (+/-)
11 6 r 1 27 0 -27
12 34 r 2 54 0 -81
13 0 26 3 81 108 -54
14 16 25 2 52 72 -34
15 36 24 1 25 36 -23
16 4 23 1 24 36 -11
17 18 22 1 23 36 2
18 25 r 1 22 0 -20
19 22 r 2 44 0 -64
20 25 r 3 66 0 -130
21 31 21 4 88 144 -74
22 29 20 3 63 108 -29
23 1 r 2 40 0 -69
24 33 19 3 60 108 -21
25 25 r 2 38 0 -59
26 31 r 3 57 0 -116
27 6 r 4 76 0 -192
28 18 r 5 95 0 -287
29 23 18 6 114 216 -185
30 17 17 5 90 180 -95
31 35 r 4 68 0 -163
32 35 r 5 85 0 -248
33 26 16 6 102 216 -134
34 20 15 5 80 180 -34
35 16 r 4 60 0 -94
36 15 14 5 75 180 11
37 35 r 4 56 0 -45
38 0 r 5 70 0 -115
39 8 13 6 84 216 17
40 8 r 5 65 0 -48
41 19 12 6 78 216 90
42 12 11 5 60 180 210
43 11 10 4 44 144 310
44 27
45 14
46 15
47 21
48 6
49 34
50 7
51 8
52 21
53 34
54 1
55 31
56 9
57 21
58 32
59 33
60 31

61 30
62 33
63 17
64 30
65 16
66 33
67 18
68 6
69 22
70 9
71 35
72 34
73 24
74 1
75 6
76 4
77 11
78 24
79 10
80 14
81 20


[tuddilue]

So you collect 12 unique, then dependent on the next spin, determines the next bet.
Today 12th unique is spin 14, next spin is out the 12 so bet the 25 #4 win, wait next spin #18 not one of the 12, would we bet the 25 again?

I run the first numbers in the KTF sheet. KTF1.jpg is the name with @KTFPissa win of 70.
Before I'm betting the trigger has come. That @KTFPissa is talking about.

I then run the new numbers from notto in the same way in KTF2.jpg
I'm up to 46 after #22. But then I start to bet 12 and gets 2 losses. I have marked that with a question mark.
What do I do after that? Continue betting on the 12 or switching back to 25?

Will be interesting to see when @KTFPissa runs this. Can you please run all the spins?

Thanks in advance
- Tuddilue

[KTFPissa]

So you collect 12 unique, then dependent on the next spin, determines the next bet.
Today 12th unique is spin 14, next spin is out the 12 so bet the 25 #4 win, wait next spin #18 not one of the 12, would we bet the 25 again?

I am not great in explaining the play. But will keep on trying until some who are interested is able to grasp this. This is how I play the numbers from today.

6   34   27   35   22   14   1   25   9   24   0   16
First 12 unique numbers at the end of spin 14. I wait for a number not from this 12 to come through.

36 in the 15th spin. I bet the 25 numbers. 4 comes through. +11. Now I wait for the number in the first unique 12 numbers to come through.
25 in the 18th spin. I bet the 12 numbers. 22 comes through. +35. Now I wait for the number that is not in this 12 numbers to come through.
31 in the 21st spin. I bet the 25 numbers. 29 comes through. +46. Now I wait for the number in the first unique 12 numbers to come through.
1 in the 23rd spin. I bet the 12 numbers. 33 comes through. +34. Now I wait for number in the first unique 12 numbers to come through.
25 in the 25th spin. I bet the 12 numbers. 31 comes through. +22. Now I wait for number in the first unique 12 numbers to come through.
6 in the 27th spin. I bet the 12 numbers. 18 comes through. +10. Now I wait for number in the first unique 12 numbers to come through.
35 in the 31st spin. I bet the 12 numbers. 35 comes through. +34. Now I wait for the number that is not in this 12 numbers to come through.
26 in the 33rd spin. I bet the 25 numbers. 20 comes through. +45. Now I wait for the number that is in the first unique 12 numbers to come through.
16 in the 35th spin. I bet the 12 numbers. 15 comes through. +33. Now I wait for number in the first unique 12 numbers to come through.
35 in the 37th spin. I bet the 12 numbers. 0 comes through. +57. Now I wait for the number that is not in this 12 numbers to come through.

Here I stop as the profit target reached. But what if I continue, this is how I play.

8 in the 39th spin. I bet the 25 numbers. 8 comes again. +68.

Now the game changes slightly. I have collected 24 spins. I have 2 sets of 12 numbers and 1 set of 13 numbers. I play the opposite of 12/13 numbers that comes through. After every hit, I wait until a set comes again. The sets of numbers are
1st set    6   34   27   35   22   14   1   25   9   24   0   16
2nd set 36   4   18   31   29   33   23   17   26   20   15   8
3rd set remaining 13 numbers.

8 was the last spin which is in the second set from 40th spin.  So I play 1st and 3rd set. 19 comes through. +11. Wait until a set comes again.
12 comes through in spin 42. Play 1st and 2nd set. -24.
11 in spin 43. Play 1st and 2nd set. +12. Wait until a set comes again.
14. Play 2nd and 3rd set. +11. Wait until a set comes again.
6 in spin 48. -25.
34 in spin 49. +11.
21 in spin 52. +11
1 in spin 54. +11
9 in spin 56. +11. Ouch, my head is aching now. I think that explains it. Next example tomorrow when you post the numbers.

[tuddilue]

Thanks KTFPissa,  I see now that I run them correctly. I should have continued playing the 12 unique numbers.

So now it just the last part when you are playing the sets. But I will understand that as well 

Do you understand my sheets?

Thanks again..

[tuddilue]

I played these numbers from KTF:
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16512.msg146249#msg146249

The numbers:

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spin # non hit prog units win (+/-)
0 37
1 30 36
2 24 35
3 19 34
4 12 33
5 13 32
6 30 R
7 29 31
8 26 30
9 1 29
10 11 28
11 26 R 1 28 0 -28
12 14 27 2 56 72 -12
13 13 R 1 27 0 -39
14 21 26 2 54 72 -21
15 5 25 1 26 36 -11
16 16 24 1 25 36 0
17 11 R 1 24 0 -24
18 10 23 2 48 72 0
19 23 22 1 23 36 13
20 35 21 1 22 36 27
21 14 R 1 21 0 6
22 25 20 2 42 72 36
23 8 19 1 20 36 52
24 20 18 1 19 36 69
25 8 R 1 18 0 51
26 0 17 2 36 72 87
27 15 16 1 17 36 106
28 6 15 1 16 36 126
29 26 R 1 15 0 111
30 17 14 2 30 72 153
31 26 R 1 14 0 139
32 31 13 2 28 72 183
33 6 R 1 13 0 170
34 2 12 2 26 72 216
35 20 R 1 12 0 204
36 21 R 2 24 0 180
37 35 R 3 36 0 144
38 33 11 4 48 144 240
39 34 10 3 33 108 315
40 5 R 2 20 0 295
41 2 R 3 30 0 265
42 31 R 4 40 0 225
43 30 R 5 50 0 175
44 13 R 6 60 0 115
45 23 R 7 70 0 45
46 8 R 8 80 0 -35
47 27 9 9 90 324 199
48 22 8 8 72 288 415
49 9 7 7 56 252 611
50 17 R 6 42 0 569
51 22 R 7 49 0 520
52 28 R 8 56 0 464
53 0 R 9 63 0 401
54 1 R 10 70 0 331
55 3 6 11 77 396 650
56 22
57 3
58 6
59 17
60 21


I was in minus when arriving to 24 numbers and started to bet the sets.

Would be interesting to see how you play these. Thanks.

[KTFPissa]

Would be interesting to see how you play these. Thanks.

Most certainly yes. I think if we play only these 60 numbers it will be an incomplete session. Can you provide an additional 30-40 numbers that we can append at the end so that I can show you how to play these numbers. Even a random set of 30-40 numbers generated from random.org is alright.

[tuddilue]

Most certainly yes. I think if we play only these 60 numbers it will be an incomplete session. Can you provide an additional 30-40 numbers that we can append at the end so that I can show you how to play these numbers. Even a random set of 30-40 numbers generated from random.org is alright.

No problem. I added 40 random numbers after:

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spin # non hit prog units win (+/-)
0 37
1 30 36
2 24 35
3 19 34
4 12 33
5 13 32
6 30 R
7 29 31
8 26 30
9 1 29
10 11 28
11 26 R 1 28 0 -28
12 14 27 2 56 72 -12
13 13 R 1 27 0 -39
14 21 26 2 54 72 -21
15 5 25 1 26 36 -11
16 16 24 1 25 36 0
17 11 R 1 24 0 -24
18 10 23 2 48 72 0
19 23 22 1 23 36 13
20 35 21 1 22 36 27
21 14 R 1 21 0 6
22 25 20 2 42 72 36
23 8 19 1 20 36 52
24 20 18 1 19 36 69
25 8 R 1 18 0 51
26 0 17 2 36 72 87
27 15 16 1 17 36 106
28 6 15 1 16 36 126
29 26 R 1 15 0 111
30 17 14 2 30 72 153
31 26 R 1 14 0 139
32 31 13 2 28 72 183
33 6 R 1 13 0 170
34 2 12 2 26 72 216
35 20 R 1 12 0 204
36 21 R 2 24 0 180
37 35 R 3 36 0 144
38 33 11 4 48 144 240
39 34 10 3 33 108 315
40 5 R 2 20 0 295
41 2 R 3 30 0 265
42 31 R 4 40 0 225
43 30 R 5 50 0 175
44 13 R 6 60 0 115
45 23 R 7 70 0 45
46 8 R 8 80 0 -35
47 27 9 9 90 324 199
48 22 8 8 72 288 415
49 9 7 7 56 252 611
50 17 R 6 42 0 569
51 22 R 7 49 0 520
52 28 R 8 56 0 464
53 0 R 9 63 0 401
54 1 R 10 70 0 331
55 3 6 11 77 396 650
56 22
57 3
58 6
59 17
60 21
61 33
62 33
63 25
64 3
65 23
66 1
67 14
68 22
69 2
70 23
71 34
72 31
73 1
74 1
75 7
76 2
77 16
78 22
79 5
80 5
81 16
82 22
83 19
84 20
85 7
86 30
87 34
88 20
89 22
90 33
91 12
92 36
93 27
94 14
95 4
96 4
97 24
99 1
100 11

Will be interesting to see how you play it. Thanks!

[The General]

If you're going to run simulations, then at least run a statistically significant sample size of at least 10k to 50k spins at a time.  Also demonstrate the statistical relevance of the test via z score/standard deviation results.

Trying to prove that you have a winning roulette system by simulating only 70 to 100 spins at a time is like claiming the world is flat after having only taken three steps.

Take much bigger steps and you'll find that the world is actually round.

That's all I'll say in this thread.

-The General

[tuddilue]

If you're going to run simulations, then at least run a statistically significant sample size of at least 10k to 50k spins at a time.  Also demonstrate the statistical relevance of the test via z score/standard deviation results.

Trying to prove that you have a winning roulette system by simulating only 70 to 100 spins at a time is like claiming the world is flat after having only taken three steps.

Take much bigger steps and you'll find that the world is round after all. 

That's all I'll say in this thread.

-The General

It's not simulations.
You must start with how the strategy works. For me that is not clear so for me it is good enough with 100 numbers.

It is the same with KTF you only need 37 numbers for the first spin cycle. In KTF or WTF I only play with 40 spins..

Interesting that you comes in this thread as well because I'm still waiting for your arithmetic in WTF..

So please can you send that if it is so simple?

[nottophammer]

Dont hold your breath tuddilue

[tuddilue]

Dont hold your breath tuddilue

Thanks nottophammer!