The power of RTM

[tuddilue]

That's the definition of random. Keep The Faith.
Turner - Let me divert you a little here.

Random numbers dont live in groups -> Totally independent -> Past dont have a bearing on future

He he yes I will KTF always..

I read your random thoughts thread yesterday and it was interesting reading.  But it is really hard for me to use in the real world. I understand that I do not really understand it and that I think is interesting 

I think the big problem for me is that it gets so complicated. I mean if I compare with KTF or WTF or even Gut I think you have something to work with. In those strategies you have strict rules or the count. But that I can't see in the circles and that makes me just confused. I started to write in your thread but because I have hard to explain my standing point it is hard to ask questions.

But I think when you now know with my interest in how random works. It is more easier to comment here 

I will of course study it more. I think the random topic is fascinating!

[RouletteGhost]

That is a fantastic question

Everyone will have a different answer depending on what they believe in.

Ill answer tonight. on my phone right now

Ok thanks

The hypothetical scenario is a number will repeat 3 times

So if it repeated twice on one wheel would it make sense to bet it on another wheel for the 3rd repeat

Thanks

[nottophammer]

RG just a comment nothing personal

Lets say this statement was factual : we will have a number repeat 3 times within 37 spinsOkay with that.

Can that number be taken from another wheel? Yes, but with, a but, you’ll be starting at spin zero of the new cycle.

If number 20 repeated on a wheel and we bet it on another wheel would that make sense No, it’s like above, pointless it’s like clutching a number out of the air. Better to watch how the non-hit come.

Denz knows this, 50% of spins 1-10 have at least 1 repeat. But that’s a known fact from observations on a specific wheel. What would the point be of brining the last 9 non-hit from one wheel to another and bet they repeat, nothing to do with that wheel as you'd be starting in a new stream of 37 due #'s, an unknown

[Turner]

Shoot

every number has the same odds to hit. It will be uneven at first but because every number has the same odds, it will even out.

Its maths. Normal distribution. The belle curve shows how numbers will distribute. In 37, it will be 24 in a cycle of 37

each time its not 24, it less probable, until we get to 3 and 4 SD from that mean (24), like 18 hit and 19 dont, or 30 hit and 7 dont

it can happen, but it wont far more. Thats why we have repeats.

But every number has an equal chance, so it evens out over time.

[psimoes]

Quoting Wikipedia on the Law of Large Numbers: "According to the law, the average of the results obtained from a large number of trials should be close to the expected value, and will tend to become closer as more trials are performed."

It means that after a small number say 100 roulette spins, red and black will not be even, with say red being ahead of black by say 10 spins. It´s a big difference. Now, after a much larger number of trials, say 10000 spins red might still be ahead of black by 10 spins, but now it´s much closer to the average as the difference is now insignificant. It´s funny.. Because it´s useless.

[denzie]

It´s funny.. Because it´s useless.

Funny? Of what I'm seeing in rx it isn't that funny though. Trying really my best to lose a session 

I'll try with those casino spins next...

[tuddilue]

RG just a comment nothing personalDenz knows this, 50% of spins 1-10 have at least 1 repeat. But that’s a known fact from observations on a specific wheel. What would the point be of brining the last 9 non-hit from one wheel to another and bet they repeat, nothing to do with that wheel as you'd be starting in a new stream of 37 due #'s, an unknown

I think you must think the other way around. Think about the test with RouletteGhost 10numbers in KTF. That showed that you do not start at 0. You start at 11.

That I think is fascinating. Because then you only have 27 numbers left in the cycle and you have choosed the first 10.. Randomly..

[RouletteGhost]

I think if we choose a random 10 numbers and bet the other 27 with +1 -1 we would have OK results

[psimoes]

Since we´re talking about it, it´s probably worth remembering on real wheels it´s about slots, pockets. We use numbers just to identify them but we could have used words, ideograms or any other symbols. On computer RNGs it´s about real numbers, right? There is not a relationship between the pockets but there is between the numbers,

[psimoes]

I think if we choose a random 10 numbers and bet the other 27 with +1 -1 we would have OK results

That´s what I tried to say in KTF. In a large number of trials where almost all possible combinations are present, you will find that for every bet there is a maximum number of successive wins and successive losses. For any say 24 numbers bet, such as two dozens at a time, in 100000 spins you can expect to fail up to about 21 times in a row. It can be sooner or later. For a 27 numbers bet the expected losses in a row come down to around 10. So waiting for 10 unique numbers before betting is like a virtual loss afterwhich you can bet the opposite 27 numbers knowing the worst case scenario has passed and the next spin a sure win.

[denzie]

every number has the same odds to hit. It will be uneven at first but because every number has the same odds, it will even out.

Its maths. Normal distribution. The belle curve shows how numbers will distribute. In 37, it will be 24 in a cycle of 37

each time its not 24, it less probable, until we get to 3 and 4 SD from that mean (24), like 18 hit and 19 dont, or 30 hit and 7 dont

it can happen, but it wont far more. Thats why we have repeats.

But every number has an equal chance, so it evens out over time.

Why I wouldn't like this ? It's a very clear and good answer. Thx , much appreciated

[Drazen]

Funny? Of what I'm seeing in rx it isn't that funny though. Trying really my best to lose a session 

Denzie I am not sure I understand, but how exactly are you attempting to exploit regression toward the mean here?

Are you measuring deviation to some point, and then try to play the opposite or it is something else?

[denzie]

Are you measuring deviation to some point, and then try to play the opposite or ...

Yes something like that. Seems to work very good. Flatbet. Still struggling to get those real spins in rx. Coz on the standard rng of rx I just can't lose. So something not correct I think. (Test version rx)

[Drazen]

Flatbet. Still struggling to get those real spins in rx

What is exactly the problem you are encountering here?

Your spins must be in .txt format in order for RX to load it and play it right. You can try with some files we have here on forum.

[Turner]

What is exactly the problem you are encountering here?

Your spins must be in .txt format in order for RX to load it and play it right. You can try with some files we have here on forum.

Yeah, but you have to have the file paths correct, and know how to load a file

If someone hasnt beat me to it tonight when I get home, I will post some instructions