FOBT - not my style

[JSG240592]

As a new member to this forum I have had questions and thus far my questions have been responded to promptly which for that I am grateful.

I think its only right I give you all the opportunity to see my method of thinking.

Firstly I like to play live roulette as then you can play against maths and probabilities rather than playing against software. I find it very hard to believe that there is any way to beat FOBT as they are not made to spit out random numbers they are made to spit out one of two results WIN or LOSE. I used to play ladbrooks original roulette often and would bet £10 on number 5 spin after spin. For the first few months it worked very well and some times I could come out £800-1200 profit from the four machines (most shops have 4).

The downfall came when I thought I had cracked it. Those who sit behind the desk can see how much the shop has taken, how much each machine ha taken, how much the shop has given and how much each machine has given. A girl I used to know behind the desk would tell me how much has went in and how much has went out (which now I believe to be irrelevant when looking at it on a daily basis).

If you could get access to the data that the guys can see behind the desk then surely you could analyse the figures and find te tipping point of when the machines/shop is ready to pay out. 

Today I play at ladbrookes and see one man playing machine £50spins and lose, lose ,lose. Joe bloggs comes along and turns £1.80 into £21.60 (he looked like all his christmas had come at once). 

I believe with FOBT the figures is where the cheat can be found.

For example if machine A has taken 1000 and only given 250 then that machine Is bursting at the seams and its time to bet £10 on number 5.

But if machine B has taken 250 but gave out 1000 then this has cancelled machine As bursting seams.



FOBT does not really interest me as software isn't random and has no probabilities to play with.

LET'S TALK LIVE ROULETTE

[nottophammer]

Today I play at ladbrookes and see one man playing machine £50spins and lose, lose ,lose.

why might the £50 spins be losing.
Now i play on these all the time and i see this.
10 spins say no repeat, 27 non-hit to come.
In the next 30 spins on average the machine gives 15.8 non-hits, so you should know by now i scrub the .8 making 15 to come in those 30 spins.
So matey is having £50 spins, if his 1st 10 spins is 10/10 that leaves 27 to find in the next 30 spins, if it gives average 15 non-hit in 30 spins it meant 12 where never going to come and the best part of the plasteres £50 could be on the 12 that never come

[nottophammer]

just back from the FOBT or machine of death as roulette ghost liked to call it
look at game 1 just like i said

[nottophammer]

So what does new member Kate make of that

[JSG240592]

just back from the FOBT or machine of death as roulette ghost liked to call it
look at game 1 just like i said

I find it very difficult to read your score cards but you seem to very well with your method, I am at breaking point with Roulette lol. Some days I believe it is infact possible to profit and make a tidy £20,000-£40,000 a year playing live roulette and then other days I feel as if I am a mug to even consider taking Roulette on. I don't like to pay attention to many methods which other people 'invent' I prefer to compose my own but I can now see that this is going to take a long time until I will start to profit. I don't understand how you can win with KTF on FOBT as it is a £100 spin limit?

I am trying out a system were I bet on Two Dozens And Two Columns and I am betting against the last Dozen And last Column to show, meaning I have 16numbers paying £20 profit (W) 16numbers paying £10 loss (L) and 5numbers (0 included) paying £40 loss (LL), The idea is to avoid the 5LL Numbers.

I am playing session lengths of 21spins. I am starting to notice that often within every game session I am landing a (LL) so its giving me a thought as to would it would if I turn the system back to front and aim to hit the (LL) by playing straight up on the relevant numbers.

Example:-

Result - 5 play 2,5,8,11 1unit
Result - 27 play 27,30,33,36 1unit
Result - 12 play 3,6,9,12 1unit
Result - 14 play 14,17,20,23 2unit

etc , etc ,etc

This is just an idea and I think it could very well work. I saw something previously where a guy said to play the numbers which are touching a flat edge of the last number hit.

Example:- 29 play 26,28,30,32

Do you only play FOBT using KTF or do you play live roulette?

[nottophammer]

Do you only play FOBT using KTF or do you play live roulette?

99.9% is on FOBT the other time live like in brighton.

Now KTF on the FOBT is not as good as on alive spin.
My reasoning is the program is produced by a human, so does not always play like a live wheel.
But you do see same average,this is why i collect and record 60 spins, to see if the max to hit changes on a continuing data base.

If you look at KTF and note how the non-hit happen in the blocks of spins 1-10,11-20,21-30 and 31-40 you will start to see how they go with the law of the third.

So to use the convience of FOBT you will need to do some study, have 10 spins and see if you get the 15.8 non-hit in spins 11-40, do this over and over again, then you'll see its not rigid, best example

The plasterers you see on these machines just throwing chips anywhere don't realise some of the #'s they have their money on are never going to come, how do i know ( do you work for Global draw?) okay here goes.

1. have 10 spins, make it simple no repeat
2.  that would make 27 non-hit to be bet.
3. if you accept 15 non-hit in 30 spins is possible,
4. if the 15 non-hit come that means 15 repeats, so take the 15 non-hit from the 27 non-hit
5. it means 12 were never going to hit, perhaps this is why the plasterers lose.

If you work for one of the suppliers to the betting shops
if their money is on 12 that were never coming plus on some of the repeats, that repeat might not cover the stake, also they usually leave the #'s covered or worse still just increase the units, possibly on the never showing #'s.

I ask do you work for the suppliers of these games as one member asked alot of ?'s by PM about the fobt average and then just disappeared.
But the only way the machine can catch you is if its watching your stakes and like a member said it chooses to pay one of the #'s covered, so can it keep paying out the cheap payout, it would still register as paying out and meet the gambling commissions requirements.

Like Stan found out when he took Corals to the board and just got told it meets the requirements,which are? would not even give an inkling to how they meet the payout.

Your 2 doz,2 col bet my son use to do it and had great results on the FOBT, but eventually it started to lose, even got to the point of never winning with it, had the machine been programmed to recognise the pattern, as most ideas work on these machines for a good few months, but eventually the idea starts to lose.

So this is why you have to watch the trot/count, to keep mug punters happy they have to seem to play like a real wheel, so the LOTT works, do some studying

[JSG240592]

If you work for one of the suppliers to the betting shops
if their money is on 12 that were never coming plus on some of the repeats, that repeat might not cover the stake, also they usually leave the #'s covered or worse still just increase the units, possibly on the never showing #'s.

I ask do you work for the suppliers of these games as one member asked alot of ?'s by PM about the fobt average and then just disappeared.
But the only way the machine can catch you is if its watching your stakes and like a member said it chooses to pay one of the #'s covered, so can it keep paying out the cheap payout, it would still register as paying out and meet the gambling commissions requirements.

Like Stan found out when he took Corals to the board and just got told it meets the requirements,which are? would not even give an inkling to how they meet the payout.

Your 2 doz,2 col bet my son use to do it and had great results on the FOBT, but eventually it started to lose, even got to the point of never winning with it, had the machine been programmed to recognise the pattern, as most ideas work on these machines for a good few months, but eventually the idea starts to lose.

So this is why you have to watch the trot/count, to keep mug punters happy they have to seem to play like a real wheel, so the LOTT works, do some studying
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I don't work for any supplier or betting shop. I have just always been sure that FOBT show either a WIN or a LOSE regardless what numbers you have covered  hence why I just used to play one number at a time. I asked questions because I find it interesting that someone claims to have a cheat for these machines. May I ask, These score cards you've been posting have you been playing the KTF and profiting or have you just been observing results while playing red and black?     

[nottophammer]

These score cards you've been posting have you been playing the KTF and profiting or have you just been observing results while playing red and black?

I dont bother with outside bets, i just play on the field.
Once again i'll say, KTF was just to show how you could bet the non-hit of the 37 spin cycle and make £50/+50.
My bets come from watching the trot/count.

[nottophammer]

I asked questions because I find it interesting that someone claims to have a cheat for these machines.

So who claims to have a cheat for FOBT, be nice to learn of it

[nottophammer]

Wont be back for a little while Moto 2 just about to restart