Help needed

[denzie]

I've done over 3200 sessions in wiesbaden + real session

I wait till we get 17 numbers that came. Now bet the other 20 once.

I wait till we get 18 numbers that came.
Now bet the other 19 once.

All flat. It came out as a big winner. Was this luck ?

Also tested ... wait till 12 numbers came .
Now bet the other 25 numbers once.
Came out winning too.

Any thoughts?

[tuddilue]

I think it is much the same as GUT. I think the starting point for WTF can be made with help of GUT. The work as Celticknits has done.. If we help each other on that thread,  I think that will make wonders!

The 25 numbers is the same as "it's not KTF"  thread. It works as you says..

-Tuddilue

[denzie]

I'm not talking about wtf or ktf here.
Just wanted to know from the people who play it if they could check there sheets. Coz 3200 sessions is a lot to be just lucky.

For example the 17 go to 18 unique
In 500 sessions on average I get this;

110 extra wins.
500-110= 390
390:2= 195
195 wins and 195 losses
On the 195 losses we lose 3 units
195 x3 = 585
110 x 17 = 1870 -585 = 1285 profit

[denzie]

Should be 110 x 16 .... 980 profit
195 x4 = 780...

[winkel]

Denzie,

be beware of what KonFused prooved:

If you bet only that single crossing (e.g. ) 15vs14: You will win 15/37 and will lose 22/37.

The higher the number of "unhit" the longer the winning streaks and vice versa.

[denzie]

Denzie,

be beware of what KonFused prooved:

If you bet only that single crossing (e.g. ) 15vs14: You will win 15/37 and will lose 22/37.

The higher the number of "unhit" the longer the winning streaks and vice versa.

That makes sense.
I'm just surprised it won this much flatbet.
I need to test a loooot more to see if I get simular results.

[SimonZed1]

Pretty interesting... Ill check that this weekend with some runs on Roulette Xtreme.

Simon.

[The General]

Overall, betting on numbers that have not hit on a live wheel is a bad idea.  It's one way by which you could theoretically lose at a rate that could actually exceed the house edge.

[winkel]

Overall, betting on numbers that have not hit on a live wheel is a bad idea.  It's one way by which you could theoretically lose at a rate that could actually exceed the house edge.

It might be out of sense to tell you, that it is not betting on unhit numbers exclusively.
It is also betting on oncehit and morehit numbers.

But you can only cut and paste others formulas, not understanding what they say and what is the next step of development.

Ande you will never ever be able to say: Let´s have a look whether this fact is really a fact or not.

[nottophammer]

Here you go General 30 minutes 2 shops using .25p units watching 0x and 1x £29.25 if could use a £1 chip £117

[nottophammer]

Even on the FOBT, KTF still does the business General, that's just betting non-hit

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Spin No. Spin Repeat? Non-hit count Progression Result Bank
1 1 37
2 1 R 36
3 33 36
4 22 35
5 0 34
6 35 33
7 0 R 32
8 13 32
9 19 31
10 34 30
11 9 29 1 7 7
12 9 R 28 1 -28 -21
13 31 28 2 16 -5
14 6 27 1 9 4
15 18 26 1 10 14
16 12 25 1 11 25
17 34 R 24 1 -24 1
18 1 R 24 2 -48 -47
19 5 24 3 36 -11
20 36 23 2 26 15
21 24 22 1 14 29
22 14 21 1 15 44
23 15 20 1 16 60
24 6 R 19 1 -19 41
25 2 19 2 34 75
26 13 R 18 1 -18 57


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Spin No. Spin Repeat? Non-hit count Progression Result Bank
1 29 37
2 19 36
3 5 35
4 17 34
5 31 33
6 4 32
7 24 31
8 19 R 30
9 22 30
10 29 R 29
11 26 29 1 7 7
12 16 28 1 8 15
13 20 27 1 9 24
14 29 R 26 1 -26 -2
15 11 26 2 20 18
16 24 R 25 1 -25 -7
17 32 25 2 22 15
18 10 24 1 12 27
19 6 23 1 13 40
20 20 R 22 1 -22 18
21 4 R 22 2 -44 -26
22 23 22 3 42 16
23 9 21 2 30 46
24 36 20 1 16 62
25 33 19 1 17 79
26 10 R 18 1 -18 61
27 0 18 2 36 97
28 16 R 17 1 -17 80


[denzie]

@General... I'm not saying or claiming this works. I've just been surprised that with that much sessions it came out winning. Flat.

Two more people send me there results. One was around break even and the other lost a bit.

So maybe it was luck.
I do got few times where I don't move an inch. Like 50/100 sessions I keep circling around break even.

I'll keep collecting more sessions though. See what happens. Any help is appreciated

[denzie]

17 going for 18
18 going for 19

With 1-2-3 progression both win

[nottophammer]

Denz
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[denzie]

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