Randomer Thoughts

[Priyanka]

I know I'm the bad guy for pointing out the obvious

Ed - you are not. I have taken your whole point in. I am agreeing with you that keeping that problem out that we are trying to solve is not going to help. Thats the reason I agreed that if we eliminate zero we will not be actually solving the problem. Thats the reason I took to it that if we solve this, then we might get ahead in a bv no zero roulette game and not in real roulette game. All good?

[The General]

Surely, the VdW must act as a kind of stat in itself to support bet selections and other variance based stats?

Falkor2k15,

In the game of roulette, you can't side step probability by using past spins and the VDW.  The house payout will always be short of the odds, regardless of how you treat or observe the random data. 

[Priyanka]

Priyanka, surely that's not the primary use of VdW - to act as a kaleidoscope to produce a win/loss pattern that can be filtered/re-arranged to tilt towards more wins? Surely, the VdW must act as a kind of stat in itself to support bet selections and other variance based stats? For example, if we were expecting a cycle length of 3 next spin and VdW is about to complete a 333 AP then we can use it to support that bet selection for more chance of a win? How can ECs and Dozen VdWs work together - again, is it just to produce a certain kind of win/loss pattern that can be filtered as part of a secondary process?

Falkor - Once again. I am not aware of anything that I am not writing here, as I said, no hints, no puzzles, no claims without proving what is happening. So all you are writing is latin to me and I dont think Vdw is of any use for predicting spins.

but i would argue that you already know how to do this Priyanka

Tomla - have you seen me write anything about it here. If you havnt, then its not true. If you have, then it was not correct. I do not know how to do this, unless I write them explicitly here.

[RouletteGhost]

Falkor - Once again. I am not aware of anything that I am not writing here, as I said, no hints, no puzzles, no claims without proving what is happening. So all you are writing is latin to me and I dont think Vdw is of any use for predicting spins.
Tomla - have you seen me write anything about it here. If you havnt, then its not true. If you have, then it was not correct. I do not know how to do this, unless I write them explicitly here.

Falkor is a loose cannon fraud.

[Priyanka]

In the game of roulette, you can't side step probability by using past spins and the VDW.  The house payout will always be short of the odds, regardless of how you treat or observe the random data. 

General - One question for you. While using AP, am assuming the house payout will always be short of odds, regardless of how you treat or observe random data. Is that assumption correct? If that assumption is wrong, are you assuming that you are increasing odds through AP? If that is true then increasing odds = increasing the accuracy of prediction?

[The General]

General - One question for you. While using AP, am assuming the house payout will always be short of odds, regardless of how you treat or observe random data. Is that assumption correct? If that assumption is wrong, are you assuming that you are increasing odds through AP? If that is true then increasing odds = increasing the accuracy of prediction?

Increasing the accuracy of the prediction and or exploiting the non random gaming device changes the odds, often dramatically.

[RouletteGhost]

Priyanka

If the parasite is ignored the parasite will move on

[Priyanka]

Increasing the accuracy of the prediction and or exploiting the non random gaming device changes the odds, often dramatically.

Thanks for that. So increasing accuracy of prediction = changing of odds. Just learning my terms.

[Priyanka]

If the parasite is ignored the parasite will move on

link:://:.collective-evolution.com/2015/06/18/we-all-have-parasites-the-symptoms-how-you-can-cleanse-them/  

[RouletteGhost]

link:://:.collective-evolution.com/2015/06/18/we-all-have-parasites-the-symptoms-how-you-can-cleanse-them/  

Lol

[donik7777]

I'd like  to say thanks to Priyanke, she realy a wonderful lady. I'm her fan and follower. During the last years in the forum I have not seen anything like that. Priya my great respect for you.
Yes, there is no difference between the numbers or they are located on the wheel, or on a table, each number or group has a constant percentage

Greetings.

[Turner]

Increasing the accuracy of the prediction and or exploiting the non random gaming device changes the odds, often dramatically.

Now this is where I need to get a grip. Maybe I already know but its in the wording
I can see how increasing the acccuracy of prediction will make you win more...but not how the odds change.
Im stuck with the pit boss saying " That prediction was accurate sir...we will pay you 40:1 not 35:1"
Could you explain please?

[psimoes]

its "what ends the cycle" and "how long is it"

123 is still going but 1,2 or 3 can define it
1231 is a cycle of 4 and 1 defines it
1233 is a cycle of 4 and 3 defines it
1232 is a cycle of 4 and 2 defines it

123, 321,231, 132 etc all will be cycle 4 but arnt defined yet 

1322 is is a cycle of 4 and 2 defines it

Sorry I still don´t get it. Do the various cycles have to appear in sequential order? Like, if you bet for the cycle 1 and lose, move on for cycle 2 to form, and so on?

[Bayes]

No one I have ever heard of tried to solve a math problem by pretending part of the problem wasn't there and then solving it - then trying
to use that same strategy to solve the 'complete' problem with the missing part replaced.

Actually, in applied maths it's done all the time because reality is often too complex to model completely. For example, Newton's equations of dynamics ignore air resistance but they're good enough for many purposes. The equations which a VB player implicitly uses to predict where the ball will land ignores many variables, but if the conditions are right they are "good enough" to beat the edge.

You might argue that leaving out the zero isn't justified because it's not as though the game is too complex to include it in the calculations (actually it does make things a lot more complex when dealing with outside bets because the zero doesn't have the same probability of hitting as say a dozen).

But then there's the issue of the "purpose". I don't know where Priyanka is going with this but perhaps for her purpose (what she's trying to convey), the presence of the zero isn't necessary.

That would be the case if the final objective is to reduce the variance. If you can reduce the "gaps" between hits enough so that you've achieved a stable win rate, then an appropriate form of MM will do the rest. Not saying that's what she's aiming at, but it's just an example of where leaving the zero out of the equation wouldn't be a big deal.

[NextYear]

@psimoes

There are 3 kind of cycles, as you can see.

Any cycle is defined with the repeated dozen, which can happen at spin 2, spin 3 or spin 4.

1st kind is cycle which have repeated dozen in 2nd spin
2nd kind is cycle which have repeated dozen in 3rd spin
3rd kind is cycle which have repeated dozen in 4th spin

No more. It's just an observation!