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Priyanka · May 17, 03:34 PM 2016

Quote from: Drazen on May 17, 03:30 PM 2016I thought in the end we should have closed scheme of betting with strict rules, of course to avoid randomness? Covering every possible option. There shouldn't be nothing which could be decided opposite for exactly the same situation based on what we "think" will happen?

Read that again. Is that set of combinations you are playing your personal permanence?

For a moment let's assume we have a magical method based on these combinations like rrbb or rbrb which has a frequency of occurring 50% in a random sequence. If you don't have a stream random numbers which make up your own personal permanence what good is your statistic. If you are being manipulative about what to select and when to play where is the random stream which will Adher to this statistic

Turner · May 17, 03:39 PM 2016

Quote from: Priyanka on May 17, 02:04 PM 2016As long as the selection process of selecting the number stream from roulette is random, it doesn't matter

hmmmm....why does the selection have to be random?
A random number is just that isnt it?

But lets say I decide to take the first spin from 10000 sessions from weissbaden and do a single file of 10k first numbers....it would pass a chi square test wouldnt it?

What if I picked all the 10s out of all the files so I had 400 10s. Thats not gonna pass is it?
But all the 10s were random wernt they?

They were...but arnt now?

This is how you start thinking like Bayes said and Priyanka liked

Wouldn't it be better to say "roulette seems to be unpredictable, but let's explore the possibility that it's not".

Now pick holes in what I just said and you are thinking too

Priyanka · May 17, 03:51 PM 2016

Quote from: Turner on May 17, 03:39 PM 2016But lets say I decide to take the first spin from 10000 sessions from weissbaden and do a single file of 10k first numbers....it would pass a chi square test wouldnt it?

What if I picked all the 10s out of all the files so I had 400 10s. Thats not gonna pass is it?
But all the 10s were random wernt they?

Great example there turner.

Exactly my point. I think that is where it gets a little complex. The 10s in the second example is a random variable. But the process you used to stitch them together does not result in a random sequence. Each term is predictable that it will be 10. That is a more simple example. A more complex example of selection is triggers.

First example will result in a random sequence. So in both cases even though you had a random variable the sequence was not random. That is my grade 3 mathematic brain.

Drazen · May 17, 03:52 PM 2016

Quote from: Priyanka on May 17, 03:34 PM 2016
Is that set of combinations you are playing your personal permanence?

Yes we can say so. But at the same time that personal permanence we are having is based on Parondos Paradox and where is the difference between those two things in that case?

Priyanka · May 17, 03:54 PM 2016

Quote from: Drazen on May 17, 03:52 PM 2016
Yes we can say so. But at the same time that personal permanence we are having is based on Parondos Paradox and where is the difference between those two things in that case?

I don't understand parandos paradox. Why complicate crap with more crap.

Drazen · May 17, 04:19 PM 2016

Quote from: Priyanka on May 17, 02:04 PM 2016There are varying explanations I have read about this and jotting them down here as this term means different things to different people.

Quote from: Priyanka on May 17, 03:54 PM 2016Why complicate crap with more crap.

Probably you are right. I feel I need a break so I think I ll step aside a bit.

As we know in order for PP to work we need a bet with an edge in one of the parts. Is our personal permanence that what could achieve that? But then at the same time we longer no need PP as it is enough for us to play our bet which came out of our personal permanence...

Priyanka · May 17, 04:25 PM 2016

Quote from: Drazen on May 17, 04:19 PM 2016I feel I need a break so I think I ll step aside a bit

Drazen - Take it easy dear. Razumijem. All is good.

Tomla021 · May 17, 08:17 PM 2016

sort of something to do with this topic or maybe not

As I looked at cycles , and dozens the one thing I noticed is that after a dozen has hit 3 x in row or more 24, 18, 13 (doz 2) then its broken by say (doz 3 ,,, 32) the next number is or will be a doz 2 close to 40% of the time in the 2000 spins I tested---hmmmm

praline · May 18, 07:36 AM 2016

1. Cycles
2. VdW
3. PP related to triggers on CL

falkor2k15 · May 18, 07:41 AM 2016

Keep it coming, guys... it's all going into my Random Thoughts a concise reference version 2; this will be a more thorough source book than last time around...

winkel · May 18, 02:46 PM 2016

Quote from: falkor2k15 on May 17, 02:49 PM 2016
Can professor winkel also beat the game and he is wealthy?

Yes, I can! and Yes, I am!

Tomla021 · May 18, 03:23 PM 2016

Grus Gaut thank the lord someones wealthy and beating the wheel along with Priyanka and others

denzie · May 18, 03:38 PM 2016

Quote from: winkel on May 18, 02:46 PM 2016
Yes, I can! and Yes, I am!

I truly believe this. After what I'm seeing and testing.

falkor2k15 · May 18, 05:16 PM 2016

This (including previous discussions under Random Thoughts) has to be the best topic of all-time to rock the world of Roulette and this forum; I'm sure you'll all agree???

Turner is part of the forum furniture - but not even he knew about cycles prior to Priyanka's premiere showcasing this framework!

TurboGenius · May 18, 05:24 PM 2016

Quote from: falkor2k15 on May 18, 05:16 PM 2016I'm sure you'll all agree???

I don't agree - but then again no one would have expected me to either lol.
Congrats on finding ways to bend information this way and that while not changing a thing.
You can cut a pizza into various complex shapes and cut it into sections and compare them to each other or even stack pieces on one another based on some formula but you haven't changed the fact that it's the same pizza. But go on ! It is great reading and maybe a learning process for some as well - which can never be a bad thing.

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