The effect of what you post

[TurboGenius]

Now....stop trying to convert the "Heathens" like some door knocking Jehovah’s Witness and let people enjoy this wonderful game at the level they feel comfortable at.

[Turner]

Is the reply I expected 

[RouletteGhost]

HEAR YE....HEAR YE.....HEAR YE !!

Ive played chess most of my life, and after 20 years realized what was actually needed to be really good. Its mind blowing.

I could beat most at the club, but certain players will always beat me. Sad thing is I am that good a player, I can see exactly how they have beat me.

The upshot is that I really dont have the time (in life) to ever get to where I would like to be. Im 52, and should be this good at chess at 10 years old to have a chance.

I think this recent spate of "you dont know what you are doing", mainly from 3 people, is missing the point big time

I recon that the people TG, Caleb and Steve continuously keep trying to make "see sense" would fair much better in a casino against the Chinese resteraunt waiters and taxi drivers who throw chips at the table like a proud Dad throwing confetti at his daughters wedding.

Seriously, I have faith in them.

And this is where we all are. We arnt no Grand Masters, but we know the game well enough to do well in the casino and most of all, enjoy seeing that knowledge work for us.

Im not going to buy a computer and "improve my bet selection". IMHO its cheating.
Im not going to travel the world on my own, living out of travel lodges, examining bits of fluff and grease in wheel pockets. Its sad. Get a life!

Im going to keep trying to enjoy having a great buzz at the casino, and keep doing well by playing a knowledgeable and sensible approach.

Thats the fecking point you 3 keep on missing.....over and over and over and over and over and..........

Now....stop trying to convert the "Heathens" like some door knocking Jehovah’s Witness and let people enjoy this wonderful game at the level they feel comfortable at.

Sermon over

and relax......

Awesome.

[RouletteGhost]

Im not going to travel the world on my own, living out of travel lodges, examining bits of fluff and grease in wheel pockets. Its sad. Get a life!

Best mod comment. Ever.

Finding people in diff cities to examine wheels for ya? Puh-lease

[Steve]

Turner, really we get all that. If you think we dont understand that, you are missing the point.

None of us give a crap what other people want to do with their money, or what their hobbies are. And we are not trying to convert anyone to anything.

There are different people here.

* The casual player: doesnt give a crap about facts and just wants to dabble. There's no real logic in the gameplay - just the same thing over and over. They think the "experienced players" are pushy and trying to convert people to the apparent AP religion.

* The inexperienced player who wants to learn facts and play well: These players are misled by the "casual player".

* The experienced player: points out what should be glaringly obvious faults with systems. Doesnt give a crap about the "casual player", but would like to help the "inexperienced player".

Here's a typical situation (a transcript):

Casual player: OMG OMG I won $50 in 5 spins with this system. You wait for RBRB then bet R. Everyone, you gotta try it because it so works.

Experienced player: 5 spins is too short term to draw any conclusion. And what is the reason that specific sequence of RB will result in R spinning next? If there is no change of the odds, then your bet on R is just as good as any other EC bet.

Casual player: oh shut up AP guy, guy away. Cant you see I'm just trying to have fun? Its just a hobby.

Inexperienced player: Thanks for sharing your system casual player, I'll try it at the casino tonight.

Experienced player:  Inexperienced player, it's a bad idea. Consider what I said and do basic research and testing without real money.

Casual player: Oh shut up "experienced player", you always rain on our parade.

Experienced player:  I'm not raining on your parade. I'm just trying to help someone you have misled with your hobby system.

Casual player: Moderators, get rid of this guy please! He's busting my balls and wont let me share my hobby system in peace.

[Steve]

Finding people in diff cities to examine wheels for ya? Puh-lease

Making random bets and losing lots of money? Puh-lease.

RG and other system players. We dont give a crap that you lose. We dont care about your hobbies. Understand it. We do give a crap that you are misleading other people who actually want to learn. In the interests of actually telling the truth so people benefit, please, allow us to politely step in and say "excuse me, but actually your system is not the HG. It is typical gambler's fallacy, and the system wont work because....."

Again if you dont want to hear what is really simple fact, you have your own private section. Watch me. I wont be saying any facts there.

[The General]

Best mod comment. Ever.

Finding people in diff cities to examine wheels for ya? Puh-lease

A fool and his money are soon parted.

[Steve]

And btw, the "casual players" very often claim something is a FACT, when it actually isn't. So the problem isn't just about you wanting to have your hobby.

How many times have players gone on and on about the law of a third or similar BS. Then someone experienced explains WHY you cant use it for an advantage. And the casual player continues to argue the point that's it's a valid principle that can be used to formulate a winning system.

It's not just the law of t a third we're talking about. The casual players often fight and argue for many different things they claim to be fact.

If casual players openly said in their signature "I'm a casual player and don't care about accurate information or the truth, so don't bet real money based on my systems or advice" then nobody would care as much about what you posted. But the problem is some of you hold onto what you think are facts. And the experienced player simply corrects you, and you take offence to it like its a personal attack, or attempt to hijack a thread.

Simply if you are going to say inaccurate things and post as if they are fact, expect that experienced people will explain your mistakes to others. If you have a problem with someone saying something that opposes with your beliefs, then you'll have problems beyond a simple forum.

And again if you dont like that, you can post in the private area

[RouletteGhost]

[RouletteGhost]

I think turner hit the nail on the head

Its about what makes people comfortable. If a system player has fun and uses disposable money and they are comfortable so what

Most people do not have the time to exploit a bias

Most people don't have crazy money to buy a computer

Im with turner 100% on this

Most are recreational players who goto the casino for a good night out

[Steve]

Like I've said many times, nobody gives a crap about what you do in your spare time. Can you PLEASE understand this point.

It's simple. When members say rubbish like "the law of a third" is a valid principle that can beat roulette, it is normal to have more experienced players correcting the inaccurate claim.

[RouletteGhost]

Like I've said many times, nobody gives a crap about what you do in your spare time. Can you PLEASE understand this point.

It's simple. When members say rubbish like "the law of a third" is a valid principle that can beat roulette, it is normal to have more experienced players correcting the inaccurate claim.

Why is the law of thr 3rd rubbish?

I am genuinely asking

[Steve]

Its that after 37 spins, about 1/3 of the spins will be repeats. ie you don't get every one of the 37 numbers.

the REASON it doesnt help because it wont tell you WHICH of the numbers will repeat. So the bet selection still has random accuracy. The odds havent changed, the payouts havent changed, so nothing has changed.

[TurboGenius]

the REASON it doesnt help because it wont tell you WHICH of the numbers will repeat. So the bet selection still has random accuracy. The odds havent changed, the payouts havent changed, so nothing has changed.

Yikes - the system junkie synapses in my brain just started buzzing making me want to post things lol.
I already said it in another thread though...

[Turner]

Fire in the hole!!! Lol

Steve...i get your points but you are basically saying dont play roulette unless you have a computer....which is wierd on a systems forum. Its been a systems forum for 6 years.

Caleb.....hmmm....actually I cant be arsed

Turbo....i really dont get it. You are the original dealer of fallacy systems and got all the system junkies hooked on systems in the first place lol