The effect of what you post

[Steve]

I understand many members arent interested in facts and math, and develop roulette systems and play roulette as a hobby. And you dont like it when people explain why your system will lose. Yes it can be annoying. But heres the other side of the argument...

At vlsroulette.com a new member posted this:

I have played just about every system that has been discussed on this forum and all I can say is that eventually every single one will end up losing in the long run...there is no holy grail, there is no unbeatable system...there is only ever one winner and that is the casino praying on like minded people to try out all of these great progressions, systems, strategies whatever you want to call them...over the last 6 weeks I have lost over £5,000 yet I kept going back for more disappointment, all because I believed all of the nonsense that was written in forums like these.  I wish that I never learnt about roulette, all it does is eat away at people....trust me stay away, it's just not worth it.  Biggest con ever

So heres one person who believed some thread about systems being winners.

Firstly, its the players fault for not doing proper testing before betting real money. He shouldve known better. But unfortunately, reality is some people dont know better, and they are misled by incorrect information posted on forums. I cant help feeling partially responsible for him being misled by material on forums I run.

I know some of you dont like hearing "facts". Its inconvenient. Often its not fun. If you want to stick your head in the sand, its your choice and nobody will stop you. But soon Ill add a clear warning throughout the forum so readers dont so readily bet on bad advice, hobby advice or not.

It may seem like a terrible idea to create virtually a "fact free" area. its a section where people can choose to ignore critical information. The consequence is for some members to enjoy freedom of ignorance with their hobby, other people with families in need of money will be misled and harmed. Its just no comparison of priority.

Soon the area or whole forum will come with an annoying warning, especially for people who believe everything they read.

[ego]

Is that reallity of gambling?
I read the same thing about AP and physics being dead with todays conditions, so whats left, play for fun.
Who cares about some one who wanted go pro and not keep the day job, silly.

[MumboJumbo]

I have played just about every system that has been discussed on this forum and all I can say is that eventually every single one will end up losing in the long run...there is no holy grail, there is no unbeatable system...there is only ever one winner and that is the casino praying on like minded people to try out all of these great progressions, systems, strategies whatever you want to call them...over the last 6 weeks I have lost over £5,000 yet I kept going back for more disappointment, all because I believed all of the nonsense that was written in forums like these.  I wish that I never learnt about roulette, all it does is eat away at people....trust me stay away, it's just not worth it.  Biggest con ever

Because nobody wants to write holy grail on forum, it is better to keep for your self.

[winkel]

Hi Steve,

you are making the same mistake as the complainer.

You just believe, what is written without examing.

Do you know whether he played it bound to the rules or not?
Do you know whether he understood the strategie correctly?
Do you know whether he played only with money he didn´t need for other issues?
and so on ...

Of course a developer wants to know why his systems wouldn´t work. But he wants it proofed by a program or by logiacal arguments.

The arguement: 1+1 = 2 or ..because the world is round... repeated for hundred times and under 100 different names: That is annoying not helping a gambler not to gamble.

Image all posters stop posting in your forums, because you are right with your statement/post. Where do your customers come from?

Will you open a forum for diet-systems and invite herb/snowman/caleb.. to argue: There will be always a Jojo-effect. Diets don´t work!

[Steve]

I read the same thing about AP and physics being dead with todays conditions

You read wrong. I know from personal experience, not opinions from others. But if a player doesn't know what they're doing, they'll lose.

Who cares about some one who wanted go pro and not keep the day job, silly.

Just because some people arent too bright doesn't mean i wont clearly warn them, so maybe they don't make mistakes.  You know stupid or not, these are real people we are talking about who may even be supporting families. And I'll do the responsible thing and steer them in the right direction.

[Steve]

Winkel, can you honestly say the majority of systems on forums work?

I know from personal experience and knowledge of basic math that most systems are rbrbrbbbrrrb nonsense that do not change the odds. They dont fhange anything. If anything, they just change the amount risked on an individual spin. I almost never see anything different or innovative that "could" work.

[Steve]

Of course a developer wants to know why his systems wouldn´t work. But he wants it proofed by a program or by logiacal arguments.

Actually the blatant facts, with clear explanations, are usually ignored or not understood.

[Steve]

The arguement: 1+1 = 2 or ..because the world is round... repeated for hundred times and under 100 different names: That is annoying not helping a gambler not to gamble.

Image all posters stop posting in your forums, because you are right with your statement/post. Where do your customers come from?

Will you open a forum for diet-systems and invite herb/snowman/caleb.. to argue: There will be always a Jojo-effect. Diets don´t work!

This doesnt make sense.

Mathematical explanations are given, with the logic that math is the proof. And the analogy you mentioned is the same thibg in laymans terms. If basic math and logic isnt proof enough, then nothing will help.

Purchasers of methods cone from many places. Whats relevant is they understand what doesnt work, and why. And why it is essential you need to attack the wheel and odds, not fairy voodoo rbrb patterns.

And no you are missing the point. Caleb understands basic math, what works, what doesnt, and why.

[TurboGenius]

Do you know whether he played it bound to the rules or not?
Do you know whether he understood the strategie correctly?

That is exactly the line used by system sellers/scammers who go one step worse and actually SELL and profit from people who don't know any better. As soon as someone loses or complains - "You didn't stick with the specific rules" and "You didn't understand how to use it".

Of course a developer wants to know why his systems wouldn´t work. But he wants it proofed by a program or by logiacal arguments.

No they don't. Anyone who provides such proof is attacked because if you point out the flaws (usually obvious ones) then you get rocks hurled at you in all directions.

I would sum that original person up as someone who hopefully learned a lesson.
Everyone who follows the "hot savior of the moment" on forums and ignores the facts, then loses their money - will learn the lesson the hard way. Unfortunately that's the only way sometimes.

The arguement: 1+1 = 2 or ..because the world is round... repeated for hundred times and under 100 different names: That is annoying not helping a gambler not to gamble.

Knowledge is power - regardless of how many times you have to tell someone.

[Steve]

And to make this clear, it would benefit me most if i just shut up and let everyone busily post more and more content to bring more traffic. But me correcting people with the truth tends to upset people and make them post elsewhere. So why do I persist in explaining basic facts? Because im more concerned about peoples perception of reality, than I am with money. I am not desperate for money, and I really do give a crap about people.

And Winkel, see :.roulettephysics.com/roulette-strategy/ and even Bayes links, even Calebs. The facts and explanations are in your face. Again like i said, they are being ignored or not understood.

[TurboGenius]

So why do I persist in explaining basic facts? Because im more concerned about peoples perception of reality, than I am with money. I am not desperate for money, and I really do give a crap about people.

Two thumbs up !

[Celticknits]

The facts and explanations are in your face. Again like i said, they are being ignored or not understood.

-Celtic

[falkor2k15]

I admit I don't understand why roulette can't be beaten - that's what keeps me coming back. I solved all of life's other problems. If there were no table limits then we could use martingale until we would win, but since they restrict us then we risk chasing our losses and losing everything we built up - in an instant. However, they do give us 2,000 units max to play around with and probably 100K total bet limit, so why can't we win within those limits... they seem too generous and makes me feel like an idiot not being able to beat the damn thing.

[Tomla021]

nice --keep this all in one post  and I wont bring up system plays and screw this post up but I did hear that if you wiggle your ears and the third dozen comes up its wise to bet the first dozen...the real trick is in learning how to wiggle ones ears

[Tamino]

Monsieur Rothschild , the banker had told the founder and owner of the Monte Carlo Casino " If you  remove the maximum limit  I shall own your casino".

Toughshitsitsky Monsieur Rothschild .



Nuff said.