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[Still]

I thought that was obvious? Providing context to the Roman Catholics and Jews through the Gospel comparison with the Jewish war and how hundreds of years later Hitler was still doing the same thing - even referencing the past 1600 years. Why do I have to explain this? Why wasn't it already clear? I'm not distracting... it's all poignantly related.

Sure the Catholics 100% manufactured it, but Jesus was based loosely on the lead rebel of the Jewish War. But you have to realise who the first Catholics were: they were all members of the Flavian family.

While that's the first I've heard the Flavian Emps started the "Catholic Church" themselves, as themselves, I don't completely dismiss the "Flavian Signature" theory.  But to start such a documentary with multiple claims that Jesus was not even a historical figure (breathing like anyone else) is as shortsighted and dishonest detective work as the "documentary" "Zeitgeist".  Again, it seems you are interested in muddying the waters on that score. 

First of all, you say the Jesus character was based on a Jewish rebel leader of the Jewish war (s) fought by Vespasian and/or Titus.  As if that's the first anyone heard about Jesus.  But "Christians" , and theyre stories, were already well established in Rome in Nero's time, which was 54 to 68. We know this, in part, as Nero scapegoated Christians for things like the burning of Rome.

You've got the cart before the horse.

[falkor2k15]

While that's the first I've heard the Flavian Emps started the "Catholic Church" themselves, as themselves, I don't completely dismiss the "Flavian Signature" theory.  But to start such a documentary with multiple claims that Jesus was not even a historical figure (breathing like anyone else) is as shortsighted and dishonest detective work as the "documentary" "Zeitgeist".  Again, it seems you are interested in muddying the waters on that score. 

First of all, you say the Jesus character was based on a Jewish rebel leader of the Jewish war (s) fought by Vespasian and/or Titus.  As if that's the first anyone heard about Jesus.  But "Christians" , and theyre stories, were already well established in Rome in Nero's time, which was 54 to 68. We know this, in part, as Nero scapegoated Christians for things like the burning of Rome.

You've got the cart before the horse.

The Flavians as the first popes and relatives is covered in Caesar's Messiah documentary and book. The Flavian Signature is now at least twice as big thanks to my research; that also helps shed light on how the messianic movement was handed over to the Romans from the king of the Jews (loosely a role-model for the Jesus character) and his two sidekicks: Simon (Peter) and John. You have to follow the dual Flavian Signature story to find out how this happened. Jesus was 90% made up to prefigure Titus - but based loosely on previous deities, prophets and kings - as a composite character. Rabbinic Judaism was also begun by the Flavians at this time.

About the time of Nero... "Christians" referred to the messianic (Christos) movement, i.e. the search for a messiah by the Jews to save them as promoted by the previous ruling elite: the Maccabees using the Old Testament with additional material (i.e. see Dead See Scrolls). Roman Christianity was not established till the next dynasty of emperors. Also, the Flavians had backdated the story of Jesus by 40 years, so what their historians wrote about a Christ movement during the time of Nero could have been an attempt to fill in the gaps and cover up the conspiracy - if they were even referring to the Roman Christians, that is, which I doubt they probably were. You see, all the historians writing about the messianic movement at the time of Nero were all Flavian historians working for the Flavian court under Flavian payroll - at least 3 of them, including Suetonius. Domitian even commissioned him to write Suetonius Domitian to work in conjunction with the book of Revelation and the epistles of Paul for creating jokes about masturbation, castration and homosexual attacks among others. Here's a quote:

"Suetonius describes Christians and I believe Dio of course also does too. This is the group you have as sort of the historians who are describing Roman Christianity prior to 73 or perhaps say 80 when the gospels would have been written. But there is one really interesting thing that links all of those historians together â€" Suetonius, Josephus, Tacitus, and Dio â€" the people who talk about this character Jesus Christ and about Christians. They are all Flavian court historians, every one. And every one of them also took the position that the Jewish messianic prophecies foresaw not a Jew but the Flavian Caesar. Every one of them recorded that insane and incredible concept."

[RayManZ]

Could we please just let this thread die in peace? It was a really good couple of weeks with no nonsense or propaganda from both sides, but it seems it was just silense before the storm.

I don't even read this anymore. Whats the point? Maybe we are all stupid? maybe falkor? Who cares? Its a wast of all of our time. Just be the best person you can be and don't focus on what other people think or do. Stop wasting your time.

You all could have had a winning roulette method by now but you rather put all your time and effort in other people instead of investing in yourself.

I really hope this is the last post in this thread and we all just let it die in peace.

[Still]

Could we please just let this thread die in peace? It was a really good couple of weeks with no nonsense or propaganda from both sides, but it seems it was just silense before the storm.

I don't even read this anymore. Whats the point? Maybe we are all stupid? maybe falkor? Who cares? Its a wast of all of our time. Just be the best person you can be and don't focus on what other people think or do. Stop wasting your time.

You all could have had a winning roulette method by now but you rather put all your time and effort in other people instead of investing in yourself.

I really hope this is the last post in this thread and we all just let it die in peace.

Can I have the time back that I wasted reading this post?

Let people draw the salient points as they wish, and learn as they can. 

Maybe people want to take a break from roulette and spreadsheets and think about something else...maybe even something more important?

[Still]

The Flavians as the first popes and relatives is covered in Caesar's Messiah documentary and book. The Flavian Signature is now at least twice as big thanks to my research; that also helps shed light on how the messianic movement was handed over to the Romans from the king of the Jews (loosely a role-model for the Jesus character) and his two sidekicks: Simon (Peter) and John. You have to follow the dual Flavian Signature story to find out how this happened. Jesus was 90% made up to prefigure Titus - but based loosely on previous deities, prophets and kings - as a composite character. Rabbinic Judaism was also begun by the Flavians at this time.

About the time of Nero... "Christians" referred to the messianic (Christos) movement, i.e. the search for a messiah by the Jews to save them as promoted by the previous ruling elite: the Maccabees using the Old Testament with additional material (i.e. see Dead See Scrolls). Roman Christianity was not established till the next dynasty of emperors. Also, the Flavians had backdated the story of Jesus by 40 years, so what their historians wrote about a Christ movement during the time of Nero could have been an attempt to fill in the gaps and cover up the conspiracy - if they were even referring to the Roman Christians, that is, which I doubt they probably were. You see, all the historians writing about the messianic movement at the time of Nero were all Flavian historians working for the Flavian court under Flavian payroll - at least 3 of them, including Suetonius. Domitian even commissioned him to write Suetonius Domitian to work in conjunction with the book of Revelation and the epistles of Paul for creating jokes about masturbation, castration and homosexual attacks among others. Here's a quote:

"Suetonius describes Christians and I believe Dio of course also does too. This is the group you have as sort of the historians who are describing Roman Christianity prior to 73 or perhaps say 80 when the gospels would have been written. But there is one really interesting thing that links all of those historians together â€" Suetonius, Josephus, Tacitus, and Dio â€" the people who talk about this character Jesus Christ and about Christians. They are all Flavian court historians, every one. And every one of them also took the position that the Jewish messianic prophecies foresaw not a Jew but the Flavian Caesar. Every one of them recorded that insane and incredible concept."

It's been a while since I studied the Flavian Signature theory, and have not actually read the book Ceasar's Messiah....so I can't tell where the theory leaves off and you start to interject your own spin to wash the historical Jesus from the face of the earth. 

Your narrative, which you say was mainstreamed in the Flavian era, conflates the historicity of Jesus way beyond Occam's razor.

Before getting into the details, I simply want to observe that while a flat earth theory muddy's the water on pedophilia research, your Flavian butchery  bloody's the water on historicity (of Jesus) research.

I want to point out that, according to David Seaman, many of the same people into pedo are into "light" from the angel of light itself, Lucifer, and call themselves aptly, Illuminati. 

link:s://m.youtube.com/watch?v=17okB4e-2Ns

I'm guessing anyone into the light of the Illuminati would be interested in any theory-as-fact that completely erases the historicity of Jesus from the face of the earth. 

I'm sure it is just a cooincidence, as I'm sure there are many atheists who are NOT interested in using children who may subscribe to, and continue to develop theses kinds of narratives.  But I gotta wonder who or what controls their minds.

[RouletteGhost]

This flat earth bollocks is out there to make people think conspiracy theorists are absolutely nuts. It serves a purpose.

Bingo. There's real theories that have merit

This discredits that

I'm telling you: disclosure project and NASA image photoshopping. It's declassified.

[falkor2k15]

Still, unfortunately every passage in the Gospels is Roman propaganda - it's comparable to DNA evidence of a very high quality that proves the Flavian invention of Christianity.

The truth movement has been muddied with names like "The Illuminati" for people who instinctively know they are being oppressed but without knowing the details of their oppressor's true identity.

Did you read in the Gospels the story about the 12-year old girl who was on her period? (2 translations below)

Chronology
23-Oct: Fall of Gamala: The Jews of Gamala witheld the siege until a tower collapsed. Titus, who had returned, furious at the losses the Romans had suffered in his absence, took two hundred chosen cavalry and some infantry with him and quietly entered the city. Many faced up to Titus and were killed. Blood ran down the slopes of the city. Vespasian joined his son in battle. The Romans managed to reach the Jews up high and many fell to their deaths. Two daughters escaped because they lay concealed from the rage of the Romans. (JW 4.62-83)









The Romans are killing the Jews whilst trying to ascend the citadel, and a flow of blood is running down the slopes, including from one of their daughters (subject to this suffering not just at age 12 â€" but throughout her life). The Jews being killed initially are those pressing against Titus, yet the daughter barely touches his cloak causing a violent demonic wind that, figuratively speaking, suddenly pushes the Romans up to the citadel to finish off the remainder of Jews. Once all are killed then the bleeding stops so to speak, including the first daughter who is then healed after coming out of hiding (the reason He says "Who touched me?"). A second daughter is thought to be dead; however, the child is not dead but asleep â€" “they escaped because when the city was taken they lay concealed from the rage of the Romans”. The first daughter caused the “demonic wind” because, according to Leviticus (much Roman satire is based on the Jews' own texts!), she is said to be “unclean” and cannot make contact with anyone: others can press up to Titus and suffer individual deaths, but in exaggerating the uncleanliness of the Jews, the daughter (unclean her entire life!) barely touches his cloak and causes a “demonic wind” â€" enough to force Titus up towards the Citadel to kill the majority of remaining Jews, thereby completing the fall of Gamala. But the Romans’ rage is considered milder still, for many Jews threw themselves and their families down the precipices, into the valley beneath the citadel. The daughter’s faith in the Romans healed the uncleanliness that was affecting her and other children by finishing off the dying Jews who had caused so much blood.

[Still]

Still, unfortunately every passage in the Gospels is Roman propaganda - it's comparable to DNA evidence of a very high quality that proves the Flavian invention of Christianity.

The truth movement has been muddied with names like "The Illuminati" for people who instinctively know they are being oppressed but without knowing the details of their oppressor's true identity.

Did you read in the Gospels the story about the 12-year old girl who was on her period? (2 translations below)

Chronology
23-Oct: Fall of Gamala: The Jews of Gamala witheld the siege until a tower collapsed. Titus, who had returned, furious at the losses the Romans had suffered in his absence, took two hundred chosen cavalry and some infantry with him and quietly entered the city. Many faced up to Titus and were killed. Blood ran down the slopes of the city. Vespasian joined his son in battle. The Romans managed to reach the Jews up high and many fell to their deaths. Two daughters escaped because they lay concealed from the rage of the Romans. (JW 4.62-83)

So you've conflated the story of a woman who bled for 12 years, with a 12 year old girl who had just died, and come up with an amalgamated composite 12 year old girl with a period.  Then you compare that composite to a passage out of Josephus' history of Titus in which none of the circumstances bear any resemblance. Then you'ld like us to believe that the different/conflicting stories of the woman/girl  bleeding/dying as well as the complimentary story of Titus were written and "backdated" by the self same cadre of historians in the service of a post-Nero Flavian court?

And you don't think this example of your analytical powers completely disqualifies you as an honest detective?

[falkor2k15]

So you've conflated the story of a woman who bled for 12 years, with a 12 year old girl who had just died, and come up with an amalgamated composite 12 year old girl with a period.  Then you compare that composite to a passage out of Josephus' history of Titus in which none of the circumstances bear any resemblance. Then you'ld like us to believe that the different/conflicting stories of the woman/girl  bleeding/dying as well as the complimentary story of Titus were written and "backdated" by the self same cadre of historians in the service of a post-Nero Flavian court?

And you don't think this example of your analytical powers completely disqualifies you as an honest detective?

Nope - and I'll tell you why... there is a lot of deliberate resemblance in terms of shared verbatim, phrases, names, locations and concepts throughout the dual narrative, and all these stories between the gospels and Jewish war all happen to be in sequence akin to DNA evidence. Both sides are needed to make proper sense - often with additional links to the Old Testament that the Romans were referencing when creating the satire.

Here's an excerpt from the sequential Flavian Signature:

Physician heal thyself	JW 3.323-331	Luke 4:16-30
Heaven and Hell	JW 3.340-360		Matthew 4:13-16(+17)
Demoniac at Capernaum + Migdal/Tarichea	JW 3.399-402	Luke 4:31-37		Mark 1:21-28
The city that recognized the saviour	JW 3.457-461	Luke 4:38-41	Matthew 8:14-17	Mark 1:29-34
The Christ that preached the gospel	JW 3.470,503	Luke 4:42-44	Matthew 4:23-25	Mark 1:35-39
Fishing for men at the sea of Galilee part 1	JW 3.483-527	Luke 5:1-11	Matthew 4:18-22	Mark 1:16-20
Fishing for men at the sea of Galilee part 2	JW 3.528-529	Luke 5:12-16	Matthew 8:2-4	Mark 1:40-45
Get up and walk or sins are forgiven?	JW 3.532-539	Luke 5:17-26	Matthew 9:2-8	Mark 2:1-12
Compassion rather than sacrifice for sinners	JW 4.30-38	Luke 5:27-32	Matthew 9:9-13	Mark 2:13-17
Broken through lack of food & essentials	JW 4.49-59	Luke 5:33-39	Matthew 9:14-17	Mark 2:18-22
Daughters of Jairus/Jacimus part 1	JW 4.70-83	Luke 8:43-48	Matthew 9:20-22	Mark 5:25-34
Daughters of Jairus/Jacimus part 2	JW 4.70-83	Luke 8:41-56	Matthew 9:18-26	Mark 5:22-43
Demons speak out through human offering part 1	JW 4.84-98		Matthew 9:27-31
Demons speak out through human offering part 2	JW 4.84-98		Matthew 9:32-34
Keep the holy Sabbath/Right Hand part 1	JW 4.92-104	Luke 6:1-5	Matthew 12:1-8	Mark 2:23-28
Keep the holy Sabbath/Right Hand part 1	JW 4.92-104	Luke 6:6-11	Matthew 12:9-14	Mark 3:1-6
Tolerance of tyre and sidon over galilee	JW 4.104-105		Matthew 12:15-21	Mark 3:7-12

More here:

Monuments to lost men over lost wives	JW 5.156-171		Matthew 19:1-12	Mark 10:1-12
Sharp exit for rich priests entering the kingdom	JW 5.222-237	Luke 18:15-30	Matthew 19:13-30	Mark 10:13-31
On duty to keep watch until chosen	JW 5.238-247		Matthew 20:1-16
		Luke 18:31-34	Matthew 20:17-19	Mark 10:32-34
The sons of Zebedee, Simon and his ten chiefs	JW 5.248-257		Matthew 20:17-28	Mark 10:35-45
		Luke 18:35-43	Matthew 20:29-34	Mark 10:46-52
How to build a tower part 2	JW 5.258-265	Luke 19:1-28
		Luke 19:11-27
Triumphal entrance/stones cry out + encircle	JW 5.266-274	Luke 19:28-44	Matthew 21:1-17(+18-19)	Mark 11:1-11
Encircled with a wall + Drive out the thieves	JW 5.499+560-564	Luke 19:45-48		Mark 11:12-18
Lifeless desert without trees or fruit	JW 5-6.567-008		Matthew 21:19-22	Mark 11:19-26
The Cornerstone	JW 6.54-92	Luke 20:1-19	Matthew 21:23-22:14	Mark 11:27-12:12
Mount of Olives Capture	JW 6.157-163	Luke 20:20-26	Matthew 22:15-22	Mark 12:13-17
God of the Dead and Living	JW 6.177-192	Luke 20:27-40	Matthew 22:23-33	Mark 12:18-27
Son of Mary who was a Human Passover Lamb part 1	JW 6.193-219		Matthew 22:34-40	Mark 12:28-34
Son of Mary who was a Human Passover Lamb part 2	JW 6.193-219	Luke 20:41-44	Matthew 22:41-46	Mark 12:35-37
Doomsday part 1	JW 6.?-271-316-?	Luke 20:45-47	Matthew 23:1-39	Mark 12:38-40
?	JW 6.?-271-316-?	Luke 21:1-4		Mark 12:41-44
Doomsday part 2	JW 6.?-271-316-?	Luke 21:5-36(+37+38)	Matthew 24:1-25:46	Mark 13:1-37

And here:

Purple clothing concealing deformities	JW 7.132-152		Matthew 27:27-30	Mark 15:16-19
Criminals led to death	JW 7.153-157	Luke 23:26-32	Matthew 27:31-32	Mark 15:20-21
The real king of the Jews part 1	JW 7.178-209	Luke 23:33-43	Matthew 27:33-44	Mark 15:22-32
The real king of the Jews part 2	JW 7.178-209	Luke 23:44-46	Matthew 27:45-50	Mark 15:33-37
Eleazar's speech	JW 7.320-387	Luke 23:45-49	Matthew 27:51-56	Mark 15:38-41
Three crucified one survives	Life	Luke 23:50-56	Matthew 27:57-66	Mark 15:42-47
Seeking the living one at Masada	JW 7.389-406	Luke 24:1-12	Matthew 28:1-15	Mark 16:1-11
Doubt in their Lord's identity part 1	JW 7.416-418	Luke 24:13-34		Mark 16:12-14
Doubt in their Lord's identity part 2	JW 7.416-418	Luke 24:36-43

[Turner]

Man....what an utter waste of a (clearly) intelligent mind 

[falkor2k15]

Man....what an utter waste of a (clearly) intelligent mind 

But the Flat Earth and Christianity are only, like, the biggest conspiracies of all-time! 

[DoctorSudoku]

Falkor,
This is the second time I am making this request. I would like to read about your theory of human behavior -- the one that you wrote or typed on a single A4 sheet of paper.

Start a thread about it. This is a serious request.

[RouletteGhost]

I'm with turner

Obviously you are one intelligent person

But your line of thinking is insane

But you are smart that cannot be denied

What a wasted mind

You probably could have been an Astro physicist or something

[falkor2k15]

Were those videos you found on the first page of results for globe earth? You need to be more alert...

[falkor2k15]