Outside the box: a different view on roulette numbers

[Blueprint]

You can do the work for Lines.  You're welcome.

[Firefox]

You'll notice Ozon, that though these people pretend to know the answers and talk knowledgeably about pigeon holes, cycles, or Van de Waerden, when asked to give actual practical betting applications, they either answer the question with another question, throw their toys out of the pram, or carry on with some other prevarication.

You can draw your own conclusion as to why that may be!

[MoneyT101]

Read it again so you're clear on what it is actually saying.

11
121
122

or

22
212
211

67%, math boy.

First piece of actual info that actually came from you!

You know they won’t understand what you just did

They don’t speak this language

[MoneyT101]

You'll notice Ozon, that though these people pretend to know the answers and talk knowledgeably about pigeon holes, cycles, or Van de Waerden, when asked to give actual practical betting applications, they either answer the question with another question, throw their toys out of the pram, or carry on with some other prevarication.

You can draw your own conclusion as to why that may be!

It’s been talked about countless times in the forum.  It always comes down to...

If someone has a way to beat this game they will not share step by step on how to do it.

You can believe whatever you’d like.  Information has been shared to help those searching figure things out.  But no one will give things to you in a platter.  Especially after putting in countless hrs trying to figure it out.

[ati]

when asked to give actual practical betting applications, they either answer the question with another question, throw their toys out of the pram, or carry on with some other prevarication.

why do you think that is? you answered it yourself

If that were the case, I wouldn't have spent so much time on VB in the interim, and casinos would probably not be still offering roulette as a game!

If a method that beats the house would openly shared, casinos would quickly adapt and lower the payout or not offer roulette at all. I think this will happen eventually. I understand that you think I'm crazy, but we shall see.

[Blueprint]

First piece of actual info that actually came from you!

You know they won’t understand what you just did

They don’t speak this language

Oh ok, how about my countless spreadsheets and thousands of hours of work?  Grow up, Mel.  I'm not the enemy here. 

[The General]

It’s been talked about countless times in the forum.  It always comes down to...

If someone has a way to beat this game they will not share step by step on how to do it.

You can believe whatever you’d like.  Information has been shared to help those searching figure things out.  But no one will give things to you in a platter.  Especially after putting in countless hrs trying to figure it out.

I could tell 1000 people how to do it.  Only a few would be motivated enough to try it.  The problem is that most people are just to inherently lazy, lack the foresight, skill set, and motivation to win.  Gaining the edge is a goal post that's far out of reach of the snowflake generation.  They require immediate gratification  and in many cases aren't even willing to leave their home computer in order to actually travel to a casino.

[Firefox]

If a method that beats the house would openly shared, casinos would quickly adapt and lower the payout or not offer roulette at all. I think this will happen eventually. I understand that you think I'm crazy, but we shall see.

You are not crazy, we have already seen that happen. I won £1000's on biased wheel play in the 1990s. I'm certain other people were doing the same. The casinos were making money still I'm sure, but they wanted to improve their bottom line on roulette.

So they adapted. Brought in new types of wheels of solid construction without screw frets and other things which had been exploited.  The new wheels had higher more random scatters too.

If, hypothetically, someone invented a successful non-random staking system that gave a few percent edge, they would just alter the payout to 33-1 or 30-1 or add an extra 0 like Sands. I've seen 30-1 payouts on ferry crossings where the punters are not going to be around for long, so the house wants a big edge to take their rake quickly.

[The General]

By the way, the largest bias wheel win on the LV strip took place in 2010.  At the time, the wheel was practically brand new.

[Firefox]

True, they can still fall down on testing of new wheels and installation and maintenance procedure. But overall it's much harder than it was, or maybe I've just been unlucky looking!

I'm going to have another look at this aspect later this year.

[ati]

Why do repeats happen from most recent numbers?

How can you use this?  Don’t try any testing....just THINK and try to solve

Very good question. I've been thinking about this, and honestly, I can't answer why recent positions are more likely to repeat. The chance of a repeat increases with every new unique outcomes, but that doesn't answer why the more recent uniques are more likely to repeat.

I'm still struggling to find how to use the information between two sets as you suggested. I have tried every way I could think of to play the random roulette stream and the derived stream, but it always loses. Sometimes even in my dreams I'm stitching together outcomes and positions The two sets are definitely dependent, but I'm not able to take advantage of it.

[MoneyT101]

True, they can still fall down on testing of new wheels and installation and maintenance procedure. But overall it's much harder than it was, or maybe I've just been unlucky looking!

I'm going to have another look at this aspect later this year.

You can look at non random and you can play any wheel 

[The General]

They don't test new wheels like you think they do.  The problem is the assembly, not so much the manufacturing.

Drop me an email and I'll show you some of the data.   

By the way, it took me all of five minutes to find the wheel in 2010.

[MoneyT101]

Very good question. I've been thinking about this, and honestly, I can't answer why recent positions are more likely to repeat. The chance of a repeat increases with every new unique outcomes, but that doesn't answer why the more recent uniques are more likely to repeat.

I'm still struggling to find how to use the information between two sets as you suggested. I have tried every way I could think of to play the random roulette stream and the derived stream, but it always loses. Sometimes even in my dreams I'm stitching together outcomes and positions The two sets are definitely dependent, but I'm not able to take advantage of it.

When you test your ideas... which partition do you play with?

[Blueprint]

I could tell 1000 people how to do it.  Only a few would be motivated enough to try it.  The problem is that most people are just to inherently lazy, lack the foresight, skill set, and motivation to win.  Gaining the edge is a goal post that's far out of reach of the snowflake generation.  They require immediate gratification  and in many cases aren't even willing to leave their home computer in order to actually travel to a casino.

Here’s a generation snowflake definition - “or as being too emotionally vulnerable to cope with views that challenge their own.”


Pot calling the kettle black, eh?