The first step in beating roulette

[TurboGenius]

This is simple, treat it as nonsense if you want or pay attention.
Take a piece of paper and a pencil
Make a list of every fact that you know about roulette.
These don't have to be FACT fact - but try to be as close to fact as you can be.
Look at the list, add to it - some amazing ideas will pop into your head.
Simple. Step one will lead you to step 2, it always does.

[TurboGenius]

Ran 1 million spins (euro wheel) with RX and looked at the results, might as well be able to add
this as facts to the list

14 number appeared above expected, 23 appeared below expected (overall).

The most any number repeated back to back was 4 times. (multiple times, various numbers).
The most spins any number went without showing was 484 spins in row.
A even money bet (low/high/red/black/odd/even) can repeat 23 times.
A even money bet can fail to show for 25 spins in a row.
A 2:1 bet (dozen or column) can repeat 13 in a row and can fail to show for 44 spins in a row.
A street can repeat for 5 spins in a row and not show for 173 spins.
A line (double street) can repeat for 9 spins in a row and can fail to show for 94 spins in a row.
A corner (4 numbers) can repeat for 9 spins in a row and can fail to show for 140 spins in a row.
A split (2 numbers) can repeat for 6 spins in a row and can fail to show for 254 spins in a row.

There's a good starting point, right ?

[Tomla021]

sure is

[Turner]

I did all this 4 years ago and it does make you move to other ideas.

I recently found this:

Play just 1 number, say 13 for 100k and it will be close (+/- 2%) to 1 hit in 37 on average
Play a random number for 100K and it will be close (+/- 2%) to 1 hit in 37 on average
Play the order they came out in (1, 2, 3 etc) and it will be close (+/- 2%) to 1 hit in 37 on average

I will state that the percentage would be +/- 0.5 or better if i run 1 Million spins

I am always playing with this stuff

[denzie]

Ran 1 million spins (euro wheel) with RX and looked at the results, might as well be able to add
this as facts to the list

14 number appeared above expected, 23 appeared below expected (overall).

The most any number repeated back to back was 4 times. (multiple times, various numbers).
The most spins any number went without showing was 484 spins in row.
A even money bet (low/high/red/black/odd/even) can repeat 23 times.
A even money bet can fail to show for 25 spins in a row.
A 2:1 bet (dozen or column) can repeat 13 in a row and can fail to show for 44 spins in a row.
A street can repeat for 5 spins in a row and not show for 173 spins.
A line (double street) can repeat for 9 spins in a row and can fail to show for 94 spins in a row.
A corner (4 numbers) can repeat for 9 spins in a row and can fail to show for 140 spins in a row.
A split (2 numbers) can repeat for 6 spins in a row and can fail to show for 254 spins in a row.

There's a good starting point, right ?

Thx for the info. I'm following this thread carefully. Feeling like you try to tell us something. .... 

[nottophammer]

I did all this 4 years ago and it does make you move to other ideas.

I recently found this:

Play just 1 number, say 13 for 100k and it will be close (+/- 2%) to 1 hit in 37 on average
Play a random number for 100K and it will be close (+/- 2%) to 1 hit in 37 on average
Play the order they came out in (1, 2, 3 etc) and it will be close (+/- 2%) to 1 hit in 37 on average

I will state that the percentage would be +/- 0.5 or better if i run 1 Million spins

I am always playing with this stuff

I think you need to KTF

[Proofreaders2000]

Thanks TG

@All: Here is SpinMaster software to aid in
tracking Dozens/Columns, EC's, streets and singles.

[psimoes]

Ran 1 million spins (euro wheel) with RX and looked at the results, might as well be able to add
this as facts to the list

14 number appeared above expected, 23 appeared below expected (overall).

The most any number repeated back to back was 4 times. (multiple times, various numbers).
The most spins any number went without showing was 484 spins in row.
A even money bet (low/high/red/black/odd/even) can repeat 23 times.
A even money bet can fail to show for 25 spins in a row.
A 2:1 bet (dozen or column) can repeat 13 in a row and can fail to show for 44 spins in a row.
A street can repeat for 5 spins in a row and not show for 173 spins.
A line (double street) can repeat for 9 spins in a row and can fail to show for 94 spins in a row.
A corner (4 numbers) can repeat for 9 spins in a row and can fail to show for 140 spins in a row.
A split (2 numbers) can repeat for 6 spins in a row and can fail to show for 254 spins in a row.

There's a good starting point, right ?

That´s what is possible to test. Knowing the probabilities of each outcome, we can extrapolate and make the following conjectures. Sorry for the caps (not meant as shouting):

A even money bet (low/high/red/black/odd/even) can repeat 23 times.
A even money bet can fail to show for 25 spins in a row.
IF RR AND RB HAVE IDENTICAL CHANCES, THEN 23 IS THE NUMBER OF TIMES IN A ROW WE CAN EXPECT TO WIN WHEN BETTING ANY EC SEQUENCE I.E. WHETHER IT´S RRRRRRRRRRR OR RRHREHOBLERBBR OR WHATEVER YOUR SYSTEM/GUT FEELING DETERMINES...
AND 25 THE NUMBER OF TIMES WE CAN EXPECT TO LOSE.

A 2:1 bet (dozen or column) can repeat 13 in a row and can fail to show for 44 spins in a row.
13 IS THEN THE NUMBER OF WINS IN A ROW EXPECTED WHEN BETTING ON ANY DOZEN  SEQUENCE. 44 THE NUMBER OF LOSSES IN A ROW. ALSO >13 IS THE NUMBER OF TIMES WE CAN EXPECT TO LOSE BY BETTING ON ANY TWO DOZENS AT A  TIME. AND SLIGHTLY <44 THE NUMBER OF WINS IN A ROW (BECAUSE OF THE ZERO).

A street can repeat for 5 spins in a row and not show for 173 spins.
ANY HIT AND RUN SYSTEM THAT BETS ON ALL NUMBERS EXCEPT THREE CAN EXPECT TO WIN SLIGHTLY <173 TIMES.

ETC

[nottophammer]

Lovely piece of info

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Re: Are there really 37 possible outcomes?
« Reply #44 on: December 16, 2014, 07:16:12 PM »
This is a test I did in November.  I tested over 1 million single zero RNG spins and got this:

2    3210
3    6251
4    9017
5    10906
6    12398
7    12852
8    12454
9    11478
10    10007
11    8619
12    6845
13    5243
14    3857
15    2730
16    1816
17    1128
18    687
19    355
20    246
21    96
22    61
23    29
24    16
25    5
26    3
27    0
28    0
29    0
30    0
31    0
32    0
33    0
34    0
35    0
36    0

The most unique numbers in a row was 25 (The 26 means it hit on the 26th spin, so 25 unique numbers in a row) and this happened only 3 times.


[Turner]

Lovely piece of info

7's your man 

[Rourke]

And 7 will be your downfall ;-)

[Turner]

And 7 will be your downfall ;-)

really? why is that?

[ati]

Lovely piece of info

Here's the same for 30 million spins. Credits to LuckoftheIrish.

2    9799
3    19199
4    26712
5    33099
6    36817
7    38117
8    37424
9    34613
10    30241
11    25616
12    20579
13    15855
14    11481
15    8103
16    5429
17    3428
18    2057
19    1187
20    665
21    372
22    165
23    79
24    35
25    10
26    3
27    0
28    1

I've spent months, day and night to find an optimal system based on these stats, but as one could expect, it always lost in the end.
I also played thousands of real money spins, started to bet after 8-10-12 unique numbers with progression and 1 cent units. 4 or 5 times there was no repeat for more than 20 spins. The progressions were crazy, I often had hundreds of â,¬ downswings, from a 10 cent starting bet... I don't do things like this anymore In fact I don't even play anymore, all systems would lose, and losing is no fun to me.

[denzie]

Those statistics are good to see....but how does it help us ?

Building a progression around it? Loses

Wait the extreme to happen and then bet? Could work but tracking could take ages
(Doz repeats 12 times...a number slept 400 times ... etc)

Or betting on what's happening at the moment without looking past spins ....bias, dealer signature,  hot stuff........

[vladir]

Here's the same for 30 million spins. Credits to LuckoftheIrish.

2    9799
3    19199
4    26712
5    33099
6    36817
7    38117
8    37424
9    34613
10    30241
11    25616
12    20579
13    15855
14    11481
15    8103
16    5429
17    3428
18    2057
19    1187
20    665
21    372
22    165
23    79
24    35
25    10
26    3
27    0
28    1

I've spent months, day and night to find an optimal system based on these stats, but as one could expect, it always lost in the end.
I also played thousands of real money spins, started to bet after 8-10-12 unique numbers with progression and 1 cent units. 4 or 5 times there was no repeat for more than 20 spins. The progressions were crazy, I often had hundreds of â,¬ downswings, from a 10 cent starting bet... I don't do things like this anymore In fact I don't even play anymore, all systems would lose, and losing is no fun to me.

I have been there too. I guess many have. And so here we are, again on starting point, the place we never left.