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[nottophammer]

As it was still fast the bet on 0s was nearly no risc.

was the bet for the 23 0x's chanced as you were +26, so allowing 1 spin

[NextYear]

@Winkel

At the beginning of GUT, 8 years ago, you never played before virgin crossing 19/18.
Was it only recently that you start playing "new way", I mean sometimes even start betting before 10th spin?

Thanks

[winkel]

was the bet for the 23 0x's chanced as you were +26, so allowing 1 spin

I recommend a bankroll of 200 units. So a balance in between wouldn´t be an argument.
I follow the trot, whether it lets me read it and win, and my nuts how far I could tease the luck.

[winkel]

@Winkel

At the beginning of GUT, 8 years ago, you never played before virgin crossing 19/18.
Was it only recently that you start playing "new way", I mean sometimes even start betting before 10th spin?

Thanks

It was due to education. If I had started to bet crossings after 3 spins, they would have killed me. At that time nobody knew what a crossing is and means.
Look how many don´t understand that virgin crossing of 19vs18. What is 19 and what is 18 and what means crossing? I had to lead them from basics to expert-level.

Which I obviousley didn´t manage.

[tuddilue]

At spin 8 is the most likely point for the first repeater statistics tell.
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Is this the Reply 44 you are refering to? Here is a link: link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=14735.30

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The situation 24 13 0 after 13 spins is rare (phps I´ll post the results of my stats)
So if we have 1 repeater (25 11 1) also rare) we could expect a second one.
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You said that perhaps you will post the results of your stats?
I know that you have done it before but do you have some new stats?

It was due to education. If I had started to bet crossings after 3 spins, they would have killed me. At that time nobody knew what a crossing is and means.
Look how many don´t understand that virgin crossing of 19vs18. What is 19 and what is 18 and what means crossing? I had to lead them from basics to expert-level.

Which I obviousley didn´t manage.

I think it is really impressive how fast you can analyze the trott and that the basics has so much to learn. I realize that for me I have a lot to learn 

- Tuddilue

[winkel]

Is this the Reply 44 you are refering to? Here is a link: link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=14735.30
You said that perhaps you will post the results of your stats?
I know that you have done it before but do you have some new stats?

I think it is really impressive how fast you can analyze the trott and that the basics has so much to learn. I realize that for me I have a lot to learn 

- Tuddilue

Hi Tuddilue,

sorry fo late reply.

Referring to the stats of LuckofIrish: You can run such a statistic every day and the results wil be the same. But nobody asks: If the first repeater was in spin 2 how many repeaters have followed until spin #X
or: If the first repeater was in spin 12 how many repeaters have followed until spin #X.

It is not the question: What happens if...? The question is: That what happened at that spin under which circumstances did that happen.

New stats: Every statistic proofs all the statistics before. Otherwise the game wouldn´t be random and wouldn´t follow the laws of statistics for a random game.

[tuddilue]

Hi Tuddilue,

sorry fo late reply.

Referring to the stats of LuckofIrish: You can run such a statistic every day and the results wil be the same. But nobody asks: If the first repeater was in spin 2 how many repeaters have followed until spin #X
or: If the first repeater was in spin 12 how many repeaters have followed until spin #X.

It is not the question: What happens if...? The question is: That what happened at that spin under which circumstances did that happen.

New stats: Every statistic proofs all the statistics before. Otherwise the game wouldn´t be random and wouldn´t follow the laws of statistics for a random game.

No worries. Just answer when you can. I'm always looking forward your answers!

I think it is interesting how close you can analyze the trott with help of the statistics.
For example when you started to bet a repeater after 10 spins in NextYears session.
For me I bet a little bigger. I mean I'm not so close to analyze the trott that you do.

I bet after the averages that notto has:

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So 7+5+3 = 15 and as we distribute the 15 non-hit 11-20 (5) 21-30 (5) 31-40 (5)
                                                  usual average seen     (7,+2)   (12,+2)     (15,+0)
                                                                                         (7)   +    (5)     +     (3)
                                                                                     more      average      more
                                                                                 non-hit        both         repeats

So usually I bet the x1 at 21-30.
I also look at the trott what is happening. But so close analyzes as you do with the trott I understand that I need more training in the statistics. Do you have some tips here? LuckofIrish is a good start for me.

I was a little surprised that you didn't wait for the crossings in NextYears session. But was that decision based on that you already won +39 and that it was a fast trott? Should you have done something other if the trott was normal?

For me I bet only when the trott is slow or normal. Then I bet on the 1x but I always look at the crossings as well. If normal I tries to flatbet some crossings. But it usually is betting on 0x -> 1x..

So back to training. Thanks for the reply! 

- Tuddilue

[winkel]

Hi Tuddilue,

you seem to be helpless. Thats no criticism. But it is the point you have to leave.

At a given Point the count is:  17 15 5
The count could only come from:
18 14 5 (if the last spin was a 0s) or
17 16 4 (if the last spin was a 1s) or
17 15 5 (if the last spin was a >1s)

The same way it will change after the next spin. It only can change to:
16 16 5 (if the next spin is a 0s)
17 14 6 (if the next spin is a 1s)
17 15 5 (if the next spin ois a >1s)

If at this given Point the trot is fast: bet 0s
If at this given point the trot is slow: bet >1s
If at this given point the trot is average: bet the trend, if there is one
If in doubt, don´t bet.

What is the average trot or how would it develope?

At that count of 17 15 5
0s will hit with a probability of 17/37
1s will hit with a probability of 15/37
>1s will hit with a probability of 5/37.

If you have a count of 17 0s after spin 20 the trot is definitley fast.
If you have a count of 17 0s after spin 40 the trot is definitley slow.

If you have a count of 17 15 5 and there is >1s hit this will be maximum for 8 times,then the others 0s or 1s will hit!
this is also for every >1s-count at any position: after max 8 hits it will change.

[tuddilue]

Hi Tuddilue,

you seem to be helpless. Thats no criticism. But it is the point you have to leave.
Thanks, yes definitely a point I need to leave 

At a given Point the count is:  17 15 5
The count could only come from:
18 14 5 (if the last spin was a 0s) or
17 16 4 (if the last spin was a 1s) or
17 15 5 (if the last spin was a >1s)

The same way it will change after the next spin. It only can change to:
16 16 5 (if the next spin is a 0s)
17 14 6 (if the next spin is a 1s)
17 15 5 (if the next spin ois a >1s)

If at this given Point the trot is fast: bet 0s
If at this given point the trot is slow: bet >1s
If at this given point the trot is average: bet the trend, if there is one
If in doubt, don´t bet.

What is the average trot or how would it develope?

At that count of 17 15 5
0s will hit with a probability of 17/37
1s will hit with a probability of 15/37
>1s will hit with a probability of 5/37.
Thanks this helps me a lot. To see it this way is a lot easier.

If you have a count of 17 0s after spin 20 the trot is definitley fast.
If you have a count of 17 0s after spin 40 the trot is definitley slow.

If you have a count of 17 15 5 and there is >1s hit this will be maximum for 8 times,then the others 0s or 1s will hit!
this is also for every >1s-count at any position: after max 8 hits it will change.
Is this 8 times based on statistics?

Thanks this explains better for me. This is exactly was I was thinking about when I talked about analyzing the trot.

- Tuddilue

[tuddilue]

One other thing I was thinking about is if you still play some other play when you are waiting for the crossings?
For example the mirror are you using that strategy still?
- Tuddilue

[tuddilue]

One other thing I was thinking about is if you still play some other play when you are waiting for the crossings?
For example the mirror are you using that strategy still?
- Tuddilue

I'm curious if you still uses the mirror?  I like to play the red/black or odd/even. But I never seem to find some good strategy with that. Do you have some tips?
- Tuddilue

[tuddilue]

I'm also interesting to learn more about the basics in the gut. Do you have some ideas what the next step is?
Or do you want to do a new session?
Or maybe some good examples of different situations on different trots, fast/normal/slow. Or when they change.
What do you think? I'm always want to learn more!
- Tuddilue

[denzie]

I'm curious if you still uses the mirror?  I like to play the red/black or odd/even. But I never seem to find some good strategy with that. Do you have some tips?
- Tuddilue

Here is a tip . STAY AWAY FROM THE EC. It doesnt work. Unless you play the variance vs patience game with a positive parlay.
Anyway all serious players dont use them unless its for keeping there seat at the table. Go ahead Tamino smite again 

[tuddilue]

Here is a tip . STAY AWAY FROM THE EC. It doesnt work. Unless you play the variance vs patience game with a positive parlay.
Anyway all serious players dont use them unless its for keeping there seat at the table. Go ahead Tamino smite again 

I can agree on that. Been to burned to much playing EC. But I always likes it. I think the reason is that there where my starting point when playing roulette.

So tips about the mirror is approachiated!  Or of course other tips with EC.

- Tuddilue

[winkel]

Hi Tuddilue,

this is a GUT-Blog, pls no other questions.

I'm also interesting to learn more about the basics in the gut. Do you have some ideas what the next step is?
Or do you want to do a new session?

The basics of GUT?
Watch what is going on!
Play the crossings!
If not sure, don´t bet!
Excercise and analyse all trots won or lost!

I don´t want to analyse more examples. If you have a question just put in the numbers until the question appears. I will analyse the trot and give you a hint.