ENTER THE **ZONE**

[Twisteruk]

Ah I see 


Was it the same outcome with his Crossplay 5 ?

[Side B]

It fails, sadly, it's obvious to me Fender actually realised it too, he was going to take us all to Vegas to wipe out the casinos, that's how convinced he was with it.

I can confirm it's a big fat loser. I've tried a number of different progressions and they all lose long-term.

[superman]

Crossplay 5

That was almost the opposite of the zone, he couldn't see it

[moles40]

I can confirm it's a big fat loser. I've tried a number of different progressions and they all lose long-term.

Didn't Fender mention he had won over a hundred thousand pounds/dollars playing this method.And the most you could lose was 91 points on a losing session.He said he would normally average 300-400 points profit before a losing session.

Worked quite well for me for a while but one big losing run would wipe you out.

BTW what happened to Fender.Didn't he mention he was going to Vegas next year to clean up at the tables and people could join him.

Yet he hasn't posted since June

[atlantis]

Gotta feeling BigEZ's progression (from the Red and Black II thread) will work splendidly with the ZONE...
Because even with the 3 "unlikely" consecutive losing games the bank would only be -12
Will try it and report back pronto!

UPDATE:
Here yer go...

Game results for 100 spins + Spin History

W5 +2 +2
W6 +1 +3
L10 -4  -1
W5 +4 +3
L13 -4 -1
W7 +0 -1
W7 +0 -1
W7 +0 -1
W5 +2 +1
W5 +4 +5
W6 +1 +6
W6 +1 +7
W7 +0 +7
W5 +2 +9
W6 +1 +10
W7 +0 +10


Duisburg 31 03  2010 - 0203
=====================
[table=,]
Spin,Number,=Type==,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
1,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
2,11,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
3,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
4,8,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
5,35,Bet,1,3,-1,2,502,1 : 3rd Dozen
6,12,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : 2nd Dozen
7,14,Bet,1,3,-1,2,503,1 : 2nd Dozen
8,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
9,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
10,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
11,28,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,502,1 : 1st Dozen
12,15,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : 1st Dozen
13,33,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500,1 : 1st Dozen
14,17,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,499,1 : 1st Dozen
15,31,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
16,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
17,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
18,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
19,17,Bet,2,6,-2,4,503,2 : 2nd Dozen
20,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
21,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
22,26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
23,28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
24,28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
25,2,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,502,1 : 2nd Dozen
26,34,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : 2nd Dozen
27,11,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500,1 : 2nd Dozen
28,4,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,499,1 : 2nd Dozen
29,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
30,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
31,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
32,11,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
33,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
34,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
35,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
36,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
37,34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
38,11,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
39,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
40,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
41,29,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,497,2 : 2nd Dozen
42,34,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,495,2 : 2nd Dozen
43,19,Bet,2,6,-2,4,499,2 : 2nd Dozen
44,11,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
45,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
46,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
47,14,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,497,2 : 3rd Dozen
48,5,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,495,2 : 3rd Dozen
49,35,Bet,2,6,-2,4,499,2 : 3rd Dozen
50,16,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
51,10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
52,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
53,31,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
54,4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
55,36,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,497,2 : 2nd Dozen
56,7,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,495,2 : 2nd Dozen
57,23,Bet,2,6,-2,4,499,2 : 2nd Dozen
58,35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
59,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
60,35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
61,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
62,8,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
63,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
64,8,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
65,17,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,497,2 : 3rd Dozen
66,27,Bet,2,6,-2,4,501,2 : 3rd Dozen
67,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
68,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
69,3,Bet,2,6,-2,4,505,2 : 1st Dozen
70,23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
71,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
72,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
73,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
74,34,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,504,1 : 1st Dozen
75,1,Bet,1,3,-1,2,506,1 : 1st Dozen
76,13,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
77,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
78,19,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
79,1,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,505,1 : 3rd Dozen
80,29,Bet,1,3,-1,2,507,1 : 3rd Dozen
81,34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507,
82,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507,
83,30,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,506,1 : 2nd Dozen
84,2,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,505,1 : 2nd Dozen
85,15,Bet,1,3,-1,2,507,1 : 2nd Dozen
86,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507,
87,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507,
88,26,Bet,1,3,-1,2,509,1 : 3rd Dozen
89,20,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,508,1 : 1st Dozen
90,11,Bet,1,3,-1,2,510,1 : 1st Dozen
91,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,510,
92,31,No Bet,0,0,0,0,510,
93,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,510,
94,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,510,
95,19,No Bet,0,0,0,0,510,
96,23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,510,
97,24,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,509,1 : 3rd Dozen
98,5,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,508,1 : 3rd Dozen
99,26,Bet,1,3,-1,2,510,1 : 3rd Dozen
100,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,510,
[/table]

+10 in 100 spins
Max Drawdown = 8
Highest Bet = 2
Potential ?

Although this wasn't a very dangerous session I think some adaptation of BigEZ's progression to align with dozen betting 2/1 could be beneficial.

A.

[atlantis]

Even better - no need to adjust Big EZ's EC progression - can instead apply it in its pristine originality to:

ATLANTIS ALTERNATIVE ZONE (new variation)
========================
Here's a new slant on the ZONE derivatives/waiting for dozen trigger methods

Single 0 with le partage (half-stake returns)

Consider only the FIRST DOZEN and THIRD DOZEN only. The 2nd or middle dozen is ignored.

Wait for one of these 2 dozens to miss 4 times. (TRIGGER)

Now here is the difference - we don't bet the missing dozen; instead we make a bet on the EVEN CHANCE that contains the missing dozen; high numbers or low numbers!

If the missing doz is the first doz ( 1 - 12 ) then we bet LOW numbers.
If the missing doz is the last doz ( 25 - 36 ) then we bet the HIGH numbers.

This increases the chance of a hit because we cover an extra 6 numbers...

Simple.

We bet for a MAX OF 4 spins using BigEZ's special progression for EC selections reproduced below:

You always start with a 1 unit bet. You don't go to the next step in the progression (backwards or forwards) until you win a bet. And no bet is ever over 4 units.

Down 2 units then bet 2 units
Down 3 units then bet 2 units, if win bet 1
Down 4 units then bet 2 units, if win bet 2
Down 5 units then bet 3 units, if win bet 2
Down 6 units then bet 3 units, if win bet 2, if win bet 1
Down 7 units then bet 4 units, if win bet 2, if win bet 1
Down 8 units then bet 4 units, if win bet 2, if win bet 2 again

If we get a win return ANY TIME inside the 4 bet/spin phase we STOP betting.
If we LOSE all 4 bets in the 4 bet cycle we STOP betting.

After stopping it is time to track and monitor the dozens for a NEW qualifying trigger (1st or 3rd doz ONLY. Important: remember the doz must have missed "EXACTLY" 4 times for betting to restart)

Aim to win 3-5 units a session.

Here is session from Duisburg 26 December. table #0218

[table=,]
Spin,Number,=Type==,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
1,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
2,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
3,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
4,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
5,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
6,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
7,10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
8,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
9,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
10,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
11,10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
12,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
13,23,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : High (19-36) W
14,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
15,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
16,36,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500,1 : Low (1-18)
17,3,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : Low (1-18) W
18,11,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
19,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
20,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
21,25,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : High (19-36) W
22,26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
23,35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
24,34,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Low (1-18)
25,17,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Low (1-18) W
26,10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
27,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
28,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
29,11,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : High (19-36)
30,30,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : High (19-36) W
31,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
32,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
33,8,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
34,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
35,4,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : High (19-36)
36,20,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : High (19-36) W
37,18,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
38,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
39,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
40,36,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Low (1-18)
41,19,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500,1 : Low (1-18)
42,9,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : Low (1-18) W stay@1u
43,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
44,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
45,18,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500,1 : High (19-36)
46,31,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : High (19-36) W stay@1u
47,16,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Low (1-18) W
48,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
49,23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
50,23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
51,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
52,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
53,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
54,4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
55,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
56,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
57,36,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503,1 : High (19-36) W
58,26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
59,7,Bet,1,2,-1,1,504,1 : Low (1-18) W
60,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
61,19,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
62,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
63,8,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,503,1 : High (19-36)
64,14,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,502,1 : High (19-36)
65,30,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503,1 : High (19-36) W stay@1u
66,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
67,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
68,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
69,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
70,18,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
71,31,Bet,1,2,-1,1,504,1 : High (19-36) W
72,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
73,5,Bet,1,2,-1,1,505,1 : Low (1-18) W
74,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
75,10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
76,26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
77,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
78,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
79,4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
80,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
81,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
82,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
83,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
84,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
85,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
86,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
87,31,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
88,17,Bet,1,2,-1,1,506,1 : Low (1-18) W
89,8,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
90,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
91,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
92,4,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,505,1 : High (19-36)
93,30,Bet,1,2,-1,1,506,1 : High (19-36) W
94,23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
95,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
96,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
97,28,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,505,1 : Low (1-18)
98,18,Bet,1,2,-1,1,506,1 : Low (1-18) W
99,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
100,19,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
[/table]

+6 in 100 spins
max drawdown = 2
highest bet = 1

I am tired now - but think this v. good. Let me know what you think

A.

[GLC]

Big A,

That's a pretty high hit rate.

17 out of 28 bets.

Not only could you win with a flat bet, but you did.

If any thing close to that hit rate continues, I'll be testing with you.

You'll need my input, because I always seem to have the worst sequences when testing with you.   Let's you know what can happen.

If you prefer me to go play at someone else's house, just say so.

George

[atlantis]

If any thing close to that hit rate continues, I'll be testing with you.
You'll need my input, because I always seem to have the worst sequences when testing with you.   Let's you know what can happen.
George

Hi George,
I'm happy you're interested. Instead of the DOZENS another way (better?) is to apply the 4 miss trigger strictly to the EC's only...
Enter the betting only after 4 misses on the respective EC - again for the max of 4 spins and again using Big EZ's prog. (or a revision thereof)
In other words watch for trigger on all six EC: R, B, O, E, H, L
You get more and varied qualifiers that way. Occasionally 2 EC will qualify - either wait until only one or pick one at random.
A big help would be a small, simple EC tracker that counts the number of spins each failed to hit - so you can watch for the 4 ; but another easy solution is to simply bring up the EC stats tables and monitor for "last appearance" triggers on RXtreme. (that's what I've been doing)

A.

[atlantis]

Here I play it on the EC's with 4 miss trigger  - but only bet up to max of TWICE.
I play same prog as Big EZ except:
After a win on the first or second bet OR a loss on both bets (ie. after each play concluded) I then consult the following to determine the next bet:

If -3 or less reduce to 1u
If -4 to -11 inclusive increase to 2u
If -12 to -23 inclusive increase to 3u
If -24 to -39 inclusive increase to 4u
If -40+ increase to 5 (leveller)


Casino Duisburg 28 Dec 2010 #0203
===========================
[table=,]
Spin,Number,=Type==,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net=,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
1,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
2,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
3,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
4,19,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
5,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
6,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
7,7,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : Low
8,14,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Even
9,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
10,19,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Black
11,0,Bet,1,0,-0.5,-0.5,500.5,1 : Black
12,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
13,35,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,499.5,1 : Low
14,25,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,498.5,1 : Low
15,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498.5,
16,23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498.5,
17,13,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498.5,
18,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498.5,
19,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498.5,
20,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498.5,
21,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498.5,
22,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498.5,
23,19,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498.5,
24,14,Bet,1,2,-1,1,499.5,1 : Even
25,23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499.5,
26,19,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,498.5,1 : Black
27,21,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,497.5,1 : Black
28,26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,497.5,
29,11,Bet,2,4,-2,2,499.5,2 : Low
30,18,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499.5,
31,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499.5,
32,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499.5,
33,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499.5,
34,16,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,498.5,1 : Odd
35,36,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,497.5,1 : Odd
36,14,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,495.5,2 : Black
37,28,Bet,2,4,-2,2,497.5,2 : Black
38,4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,497.5,
39,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,497.5,
40,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,497.5,
41,8,No Bet,0,0,0,0,497.5,
42,10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,497.5,
43,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,497.5,
44,11,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,495.5,2 : High
45,27,Bet,2,4,-2,2,497.5,2 : High
46,28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,497.5,
47,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,497.5,
48,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,497.5,
49,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,497.5,
50,18,No Bet,0,0,0,0,497.5,
51,24,Bet,2,4,-2,2,499.5,2 : High
52,18,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499.5,
53,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499.5,
54,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499.5,
55,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499.5,
56,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499.5,
57,32,Bet,1,2,-1,1,500.5,1 : Red
58,31,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,499.5,1 : Low
59,23,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,498.5,1 : Low
60,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498.5,
61,34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498.5,
62,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498.5,
63,25,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,497.5,1 : Black
64,28,Bet,1,2,-1,1,498.5,1 : Black
65,11,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498.5,
66,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498.5,
67,11,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498.5,
68,13,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,497.5,1 : Red
69,30,Bet,1,2,-1,1,498.5,1 : Red
70,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498.5,
71,13,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498.5,
72,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498.5,
73,16,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498.5,
74,13,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498.5,
75,25,Bet,1,2,-1,1,499.5,1 : High
76,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499.5,
77,35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499.5,
78,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499.5,
79,9,Bet,1,2,-1,1,500.5,1 : Low
80,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
81,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
82,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
83,16,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
84,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
85,14,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,499.5,1 : Odd
86,3,Bet,1,2,-1,1,500.5,1 : Odd
87,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
88,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
89,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
90,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
91,16,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501.5,1 : Red
92,4,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500.5,1 : High
93,33,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501.5,1 : High
94,8,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501.5,
95,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501.5,
96,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501.5,
97,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501.5,
98,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501.5,
99,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501.5,
100,23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501.5,
101,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501.5,
102,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501.5,
103,24,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502.5,1 : Black
104,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502.5,
105,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502.5,
106,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502.5,
107,34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502.5,
108,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502.5,
109,11,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503.5,1 : Odd
110,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
111,18,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
112,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
113,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
114,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
115,26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
116,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
117,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
118,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
119,16,Bet,1,2,-1,1,504.5,1 : Low
120,19,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,503.5,1 : Black
121,4,Bet,1,2,-1,1,504.5,1 : Black
122,31,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504.5,
123,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504.5,
124,13,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504.5,
125,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504.5,
126,25,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,503.5,1 : Even
127,6,Bet,1,2,-1,1,504.5,1 : Even
128,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504.5,
129,31,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504.5,
130,16,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504.5,
131,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504.5,
132,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504.5,
133,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504.5,
134,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504.5,
135,31,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504.5,
136,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504.5,
137,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504.5,
138,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504.5,
139,13,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504.5,
140,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504.5,
141,19,Bet,1,2,-1,1,505.5,1 : High
142,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505.5,
143,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505.5,
144,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505.5,
145,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505.5,
146,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505.5,
147,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505.5,
148,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505.5,
149,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505.5,
150,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505.5,
151,8,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505.5,
152,33,Bet,1,2,-1,1,506.5,1 : High
153,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506.5,
154,26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506.5,
155,19,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506.5,
156,13,Bet,1,2,-1,1,507.5,1 : Low
157,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
158,8,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
159,31,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
160,4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
161,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
162,18,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
163,28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
164,18,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
165,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
166,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
167,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
168,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
169,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
170,2,Bet,1,2,-1,1,508.5,1 : Low
171,19,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508.5,
172,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508.5,
173,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508.5,
174,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508.5,
175,5,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,507.5,1 : Even
176,36,Bet,1,2,-1,1,508.5,1 : Even
177,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508.5,
178,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508.5,
179,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508.5,
180,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508.5,
181,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508.5,
182,20,Bet,1,2,-1,1,509.5,1 : Even
183,18,No Bet,0,0,0,0,509.5,
184,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,509.5,
185,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,509.5,
186,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,509.5,
187,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,509.5,
188,16,No Bet,0,0,0,0,509.5,
189,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,509.5,
190,13,Bet,1,2,-1,1,510.5,1 : Odd
[/table]

+10.5 in 190 spins
highest bet=2
max drawdown=6.5

A.

[atlantis]

Another example so you can see how pans out...
Same method of play. I will play no more than 200 spins.

Casino Duisburg 28 Dec 2010 #0204
===========================
[table=,]
Spin,Number,=Type==,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net=,Unit Bal.==,=Bet Layout
1,28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
2,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
3,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
4,16,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
5,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
6,10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
7,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
8,12,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,499,1 : Odd
9,6,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,498,1 : Odd
10,26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498,
11,11,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498,
12,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498,
13,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498,
14,10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498,
15,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498,
16,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498,
17,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498,
18,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498,
19,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498,
20,19,Bet,1,2,-1,1,499,1 : High
21,35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
22,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
23,34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
24,4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
25,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
26,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
27,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
28,22,Bet,1,2,-1,1,500,1 : High
29,16,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
30,15,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : Odd
31,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
32,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
33,23,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : High
34,18,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
35,8,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
36,4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
37,11,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
38,34,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503,1 : High
39,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
40,10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
41,18,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
42,16,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,502,1 : Odd
43,11,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503,1 : Odd
44,19,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
45,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
46,10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
47,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
48,35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
49,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
50,34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
51,13,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
52,10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
53,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
54,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
55,16,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
56,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
57,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
58,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
59,16,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
60,23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
61,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
62,25,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,502,1 : Black
63,3,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Black
64,28,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Even
65,35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
66,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
67,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
68,4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
69,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
70,26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
71,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
72,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
73,26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
74,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
75,10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
76,3,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503,1 : Red
77,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
78,16,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
79,14,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,502,1 : High
80,24,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503,1 : High
81,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
82,34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
83,34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
84,22,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,502,1 : Low
85,30,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Low
86,0,Bet,1,0,-0.5,-0.5,500.5,1 : Odd
87,18,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,499.5,1 : Odd
88,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499.5,
89,35,Bet,1,2,-1,1,500.5,1 : Black
90,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
91,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
92,28,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501.5,1 : Even
93,28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501.5,
94,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501.5,
95,14,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502.5,1 : Red
96,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502.5,
97,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502.5,
98,36,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503.5,1 : High
99,35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
100,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
101,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
102,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
103,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
104,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
105,26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
106,4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
107,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
108,31,Bet,1,2,-1,1,504.5,1 : Odd
109,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504.5,
110,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504.5,
111,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504.5,
112,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504.5,
113,12,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,503.5,1 : Odd
114,26,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,502.5,1 : Odd
115,11,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502.5,
116,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502.5,
117,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502.5,
118,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502.5,
119,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502.5,
120,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502.5,
121,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502.5,
122,35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502.5,
123,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502.5,
124,18,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503.5,1 : Red
125,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
126,16,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
127,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
128,19,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,502.5,1 : Black
129,33,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503.5,1 : Black
130,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
131,10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
132,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
133,19,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
134,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
135,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
136,0,Bet,1,0,-0.5,-0.5,503,1 : Even
137,10,Bet,1,2,-1,1,504,1 : Even
138,6,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,503,1 : High
139,7,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,502,1 : High
140,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
141,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
142,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
143,26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
144,28,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Low
145,6,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Low
146,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
147,14,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503,1 : Red
148,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
149,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
150,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
151,34,Bet,1,2,-1,1,504,1 : High
152,8,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
153,11,Bet,1,2,-1,1,505,1 : Odd
154,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
155,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
156,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
157,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
158,33,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,504,1 : Low
159,6,Bet,1,2,-1,1,505,1 : Low
160,33,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,504,1 : Red
161,14,Bet,1,2,-1,1,505,1 : Red
162,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
163,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
164,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
165,19,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,504,1 : Black
166,13,Bet,1,2,-1,1,505,1 : Black
167,24,Bet,1,2,-1,1,506,1 : Even
168,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
169,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
170,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
171,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
172,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
173,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
174,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
175,19,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
176,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
177,8,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
178,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
179,34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
180,27,Bet,1,2,-1,1,507,1 : Odd
181,23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507,
182,19,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,506,1 : Low
183,15,Bet,1,2,-1,1,507,1 : Low
184,14,Bet,1,2,-1,1,508,1 : Even
185,26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508,
186,28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508,
187,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508,
188,13,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508,
189,13,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508,
190,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508,
191,13,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,507,1 : High
192,22,Bet,1,2,-1,1,508,1 : High
193,4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508,
194,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508,
195,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508,
196,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508,
197,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508,
198,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508,
199,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508,
200,29,Bet,1,2,-1,1,509,1 : Odd
[/table]

+9 in 200 spins
max drawdown= 3.5
highest bet = 1


A.

[chrisbis]

Are the Half unit values popping up because

of La Partage payback on (Zero result), on French table layout Atlantis?  

[atlantis]

Are the Half unit values popping up because
of La Partage payback on (Zero result), on French table layout Atlantis?  

Yes - playing single 0 with half-stake returns.
This seems pretty "safe" (although I use the term guardedly because more testing needed) Suppose you could have a cut-off stop point of around 40u as suggested by Big EZ. But I have come nowhere near that so far
It may prove ideal for small win sessions of +3 or so units without too much risk involved.
I like it so far. It's come about as a result of the ZONE principles, my variation and Big Ez's splendid progression idea. It won't be to everyone's taste, no doubt, and there is room for modification - but it appears "steady" and robust at the moment...

A.

[GLC]

A,

Looks like about a 30 win vs 20 loss session again.

Also, still flat betting.

I wonder if a flat bet will hold up with this bet selection.

Can't see anything that is that unusual about it, but if we can win 1 unit for every 25 spins. Hmmmmm

I have played a system that I like quite a bit where I wait for an even chance to sleep 3 times and then I bet a 5 step marty that it will hit.

I have been very successful with it.  But occasionally it does throw a couple of losses at you close together, which hurts.

I tried it with waiting for an e.c. to sleep 4 times and didn't notice any increase in winnings, just fewer betting opportunities.

The last two sessions you've published have been basically flat bet because of the high win rate.

Even if I won on average 9 units for every 200 spins with a 5 step grand marty,  occasionally I have to bet 31 units.  If we're playing for $25 units that means I would have to bet $775 units at times vs $50 with Big EZ's modified bet system.  I wonder which is better? 



George

[atlantis]

Hi GLC,

Good points. Of course it is slow and you need more than a little patience, determination. Here are latest results:

#0205: +2.5 in 183 spins (end of spins) ; highest bet =3
#0207: +7 in 200 spins; highest bet =2
#0208: +7 in 241 spins; highest bet =2

and lo and behold... at last it finally cometh

#0209: -35 in 200 spins; highest bet=4

The losing session manifests        !!

OK... so I was only betting for 2 spins and I might have picked the wrong EC when there were 2 on offer etc.. etc.. No excuses. Now we can see what can and must occur over time.
So maybe not so good after all. Drat!

A.

[GLC]

Hi GLC,

Good points. Of course it is slow and you need more than a little patience, determination. Here are latest results:

#0205: +2.5 in 183 spins (end of spins) ; highest bet =3
#0207: +7 in 200 spins; highest bet =2
#0208: +7 in 241 spins; highest bet =2

and lo and behold... at last it finally cometh

#0209: -35 in 200 spins; highest bet=4

The losing session manifests        !!

OK... so I was only betting for 2 spins and I might have picked the wrong EC when there were 2 on offer etc.. etc.. No excuses. Now we can see what can and must occur over time.
So maybe not so good after all. Drat!

A.

How would that losing session have done had we flat bet it?