Steve's computers

[denzie]

What is all this about ? 

bullshit link removed

Again I'm not trying to make someone look bad . But I would appreciate it if this would be cleared up. I'm still at the verge of buying it. Someone just brought it to my attention.

And I see Ken still can find some time in his so very busy life to talk shit on ALL the other forums. Geez what an idio.... 

[denzie]

Why remove the link ?
Instead of removing better you clear this up right. 

[Steve]

Denzie, I removed the link. Because it is the same bullshit posted on different forums. How many times should I explain it all? See :.genuinewinnerroulettesystem.com and read the whole website. Twice.

Turbo suspected it was Mark Howe. I actually think it's more likely to be Kav (real name Angelo Attoni) trying to make it look like Mark Howe. See link:://:.genuinewinnerroulettesystem.com/ioannis-kavouras-roulette30/

I'm not interested in the bullshit. Either read the site and believe what I say, or dont.

[Steve]

Instead of removing better you clear this up right. 

No Denzie, i've explained the same shit a billion times. I'm not interested.

[denzie]

Ok that clear things up. Sorry but I don't follow beef between you and Mark or Kav or whatever.  They forwarded the link so I had no choice then ask. I'm about to spend 2500 so hope you understand.

I'm old enough to not take sides if I know nothing about the case.

My apologies

[kingdombunnies]

I am following this forum and topic for a while. I am interested as well, very in JAA. Of course, roulette computers have proven that they work for real.

But 2500 is still a lot of money for some people. But on the other hand I think it might be worth to buy. Just wondering if JAA can be paid in terms?

Not want to descredit anyone, like I said. Computers have proven to work for real by multiple people and universities.

[denzie]

But 2500 is still a lot of money for some people. But on the other hand I think it might be worth to buy. Just wondering if JAA can be paid in terms?

Very good question. I would be interested in that as well.   

[Steve]

Some players purchased on terms, but Im not doing that anymore because its messy and I dont like having to follow-up payments. Id rather keep it simple.

As it is I wont have time to take new players soon anyway, and continuation of offering the system depends on finding a suitably qualified player to take over. The current support staff will be full time Hybrid players soon and wont have time for jaa support. Im discussing it with other potential candidates, with the most likely one wanting to offer a 3 day trial of the actual software. If he wants to do that Ill allow it. If you want just wait for that. It may be a few months or so though.

[denzie]

Ok. So it's now or months later to start with JAA. Got ya...

About the 3 day trial that would be great....if a qualified wheel can be found in 3 days 

Anyway plenty of thinking to do here. Thx for your replies

[Steve]

Not exactly. The last time I took a break accepting players lasted 6 months because I didnt want anyone else running things. Then I released the easier software and could work with more players. Later I had even less time, but instead of stopping I allowed partners to handle a lot of the support. It meant we could keep taking players. But now those partners cant continue so replacements are needed. Im sure there will be relacements but it isnt finalized yet. If there is an interruption where I stop taking players it might only be a month or so.

My point is it doesnt matter if you proceeded now, a month or year. Im only saying you may need to wait a few months for the trial. Roulette is not going to change in that time.

For the trial, It might be a lot sooner I dont know yet. I'll have a better idea of when in about 2 weeks so perhaps wait until then.

[kingdombunnies]

I am interested in that 3 day trial.

I already have a few wheels I can test out

[Steve]

Denzie, although the rubbish is already explained at :.genuinewinnerroulettesystem.com, I'll address the recent attack. My responses to specific claims are below.

Firstly, IHeartRoulette is not Mark Howe. It's more likely Angelo Attoni (who uses various fake names like Kavouras). He owns the roulette 30 and few other sites to promote his roulette system (the Kavouras bet).

He's attacking me mostly because I removed his spam promoting his roulette system at my forums. He couldn't care less for truth, and only intends to discredit me.

His post is full of nonsense - mostly recited blatant lies from Mark Howe. Anyone can post junk about anyone, and it's easier to believe it without doing research. If you are interested in the facts about the allegations, read this site: :.genuinewinnerroulettesystem.com - read it thoroughly.

Steven George Hourmouzis (alias "Steve", "Stefano") â€" a convicted scammer from Australia who had his home raided by the Federal Police and has done actual jail time for his scams â€" is the owner of the following top roulette forums online:

Actually I was convicted of recklessly disseminating inaccurate information about a public company. In laymans terms, I said a company's stock would increase by about 900%. The regulatory authorities thought it was not a justified claim. But after my sentence, my prediction was correct. In fact, the stock price increased by over 1500%. Here's the stock chart:



So I went to jail for being RIGHT. But it's a pitty I was proven right only after my sentence. I NEVER CHEATED ANYONE. AND ANYONE WHO FOLLOWED ADVICE WOULD HAVE MADE A FORTUNE. ie a $10,000 investment could have made a $150,000 profit. There was some information that was unintentionally false, like I said the company had multiple patents although there was only one patent. Intentional or not, it made no difference.

I made a lot of money when I was into stocks, because I knew how to pick good stock. Picking a 1500% price increase was one of my best, but had others over 200%. My absolute best was 1900% with an obscure tech company.

Did you notice Angelo listed some of my commercial sites, but excluded my non-profit foundation sites: :.landsharing.org and :.yourway.org.au? He can't risk anything positive.

He's pleaded guilty to "two counts of making statements or disseminating information that was false." (Citation.)

I pleaded "guilty" because my lawyer advised at the very least, a jury would consider my unintentional dissemination of inaccurate information to be "reckless". I did NOT plead guilty to defrauding anyone. Again, anyone who actually took my advice would have profited. I never cheated anyone. See full details of the case (what the media doesn't tell you).

He's scammed so many people with his roulette junk that one guy successfully sued him for $2500 after involving the FBI, Senators in the USA, and the Federal Police and Courts in Australia.

I was not sued. A guy named Vince Brandt purchased my system and didn't read the download instructions, so sent abusive emails. He never even loaded the system software. Not once. His complaint wasnt about the system. I asked him to stop swearing at me for nothing OR hire a mediator where we could resolve the issue without his potty mouth. He elected to hire the mediator. And in the mediation, I told the mediator he never even accessed my system so I agreed to refunding him. That's all there is to it. See full details here (VCAT mediator)

As for the delusions about FBI, Senators, and Federal Courts, you'd have to be daft to believe that. It's like me writing a letter to President Obama, who ignored the letter, then me claiming the President of the USA was involved.

Again, I've never scammed anyone. I'm one of the most honest and fair people you'll probably ever meet. Out of over 1,000 players I've had over the years, I've only ever had a problem with less than 10. With over 1,000 people, a few are bound to have no idea. With any product, there is always a "complaint rate" and my products have a rate well below the average product.

Every business has their share of strange people. Just take a look at Vince Brandt for example. Read about the case: link:://:.genuinewinnerroulettesystem.com/vince-brandt/

You obviously never heard of the Eudaemons who did just that. But they did it for real, not the scam Steven Hourmouzis is trying to peddle on the roulette forums where Turbogenius and mr j aid and abet him.

Actually Antonio (Kavouras): the Eudaemons had a very simplistic device that was basically a few lines of source code. It would take any programmer about an hour to fully code and test. I have the algorithm they used, and it's the equivalent of my Basic version computer which is free for my players. It is no comparison to the Uber or Hybrid roulette computer. What the Eudaemons did was pioneering, but nothing compared to modern roulette computers. Maybe you know this, but it appears you are adverse to giving me any credit.


Message for Angelo (Kavouras):

Is this really who you want to be? Resorting to attacking me under fake names on forums? It's pathetic.

Here's how it started:

You contacted me asking for information about roulette computers. This is fine. I corrected your assumptions, but you took offense to it. Your messages prompted me to read your roulette30 site, where I found you promoting online casinos, selling a roulette system, and running commercial ads. The rules of this site are NO SPAM. I had PREVIOUSLY allowed you to post links to your site because, at the time, your site seemed non-profit. So naturally when it became clear you were discretely spamming commercial links in the forum, I removed your links. And that upset you. I explained that no forum would allow spam, so you shouldn't be so offended.

Then we got into discussing why systems fail. And I tried to help you understand why your system doesn't work. You said it was my "opinion". And I tried to explain that it wasn't merely opinion, but clear mathematical fact. You cannot overcome unfair payouts by changing bet size and betting the same numbers. You think you can.

And finally you caused problems for yourself here, when posting as Blue Angel. I revealed to members who you really were, under a fake name (AFTER you posted rubbish attacking me), trying to convince everyone your system works. I was open to the possibility, but asked you to provide ANY tangible proof of your claims. I'm sorry if it offends you, but your theories were amateurish. In the end, you couldn't substantiate your claims and left. Why is your inexperience my fault? You were trying to argue against simple mathematical truth, and lost. It isn't my fault. I didn't design the universe.

Angelo, I've done enough research on you to know more about you than I care to know. I know your various sites and other fake names, fake profile photos, real photos, all promoting casinos and your roulette systems. Also maybe you're upset at me because I referred to your customer's angry comments about your system. I accept you don't like me, but consider how it started with Mark Howe, and how you may be going down the same path.

Once he found I was a "competitor", he started blatantly lying about me. The lies were wild. Then he started twisting information, all to boost sales of his own computers. For 6 months I ignored him. And then I politely asked him to stop, or I would start defending myself. Not attacking him, but defending myself. He only intensified his efforts to attack me. It was easy to refute his nonsense, but he kept creating new lies.

Eventually I realized he was a joke and I was wasting my time. I did public demos, gave reputable well-known forum members my computer to test for free, and even hired a physicist to test my system (report on website). I did even more. Anyone with a brain could find the truth. As for people who believed the nonsense and couldn't think for themselves, tough luck.

Mark became so obsessed with me that he even stooped so low to harass my wife and family. In the end, his obsession ruined his relationship with his girlfriend who kicked him out. Mark blamed me for it all and accused me of ruining his life. Actually he ruined his own life. All I ever did was tell the truth. Now wanted by police, he's fled to Norway.

A few points to consider:

* Your site gives credibility to the real scam (Mark Howe), and attack me (the honest one). I really cant be bothered explaining his latest deceptions. His computers are cheap. Buy them and see for yourself. And anyone can test mine for free: link:://:.roulette-computers.com/free-trial/

* You are a skilled writer, web designer and marketer. But you are a very inexperienced roulette player, and the information on your websites is copied - not from personal experience. Because you need traffic to be a casino affiliate. For Gods sake you even list the martingale as a top 9 system on your site. Realistically, I may know roulette better than anyone anywhere, but you tell people I have no experience. I mean really?

* Don't think I'll allow your games to continue without an eventual response. Really, I'm not stupid and without resources. I'd rather not waste more time on it. Would you?

I know you don't like me Angelo, but I've done nothing wrong to you. Your attacks against me only started after I removed your links (because it was spam). And I only ever published a review of Kavouras bet after you wrote rubbish about me. Perhaps I should have just ignored you and let you attack me. But the difference was I actually told the truth from an impartial view. You didn't. You deliberately and maliciously lied to people to discredit me. Without any care for the accuracy of information, you recited utter garbage from Mark Howe. You have had every opportunity to research and find the truth at :.genuinewinnerroulettesystem.com but the fact you don't care about truth doesn't speak well for your integrity as a person.

From here Angelo, I suggest think about where you're heading. If you don't swallow your pride and amend your material, history will repeat. I dont care if you are critical and have your opinions about me or my technology. But outright reciting blatant lies and deception makes you one of the disgraceful people who put pride and revenge before truth.

If you want to discuss this in private, then contact me. The resolution is simple. Remove your junk, and I'll have no reason to mention you. If you find material on my sites offensive, then let me know so I can remove it. I'm a reasonable person, but just don't get offended if you don't like my "opinion" about how you can and can't win roulette.

[denzie]

Alright Steve , very much appreciated about this. You understand I had no choice but asking right ? I was not informed about your beef till today. I saw the name KAV passing here a few times but no idea who he or his kav bet was. Anyway if you would be a scammer well....holy shit you would win an award for it . Lol.

I was never in doubt. We old enough to know that each story has 2 sides. Always listen first.

And about that past...even if you did jail...well I wasn't always on the right track myself so I'm also not easy to judge.

And FBI.... lol...well if they wanna give you a bad name at least they should do a better job. Who gonna believe that. Nice try though.

Thx for clearing this up. I understand you sick of hearing it. You will hear from me soon for the JAA 

Btw I'm on roulette30 too now but also coz I see Ken is busy bashing me and others and your forum.  So I couldn't resist of give him a proper hello

[Steve]

And about that past...even if you did jail...well I wasn't always on the right track myself so I'm also not easy to judge.

Maybe you missed what I said. I didnt cheat anyone. Anyone who listened to my advice would have profited.

I will say the truth and accept any consequence of honesty. if the truth meant I was wrong, Ill accept that, learn, and become a better person. I would be ashamed of lying about anything, because lying is hiding from who you really are. I dont hide. I can look myself in the mirror and see an honest person. The attacks against my "products" are not what bother me so much. They are not mere products. They are the result of decades of work. What annoys me is more the lies about me and who I am, by clowns without integrity. Kav is just another of them. And the ignorance of people who are too stupid to think for themselves.

[denzie]

No no I understand everything you said. No worries.