Anyone?

[Turner]

"chose not to use them" is not someone admitting to cheating.....Steve says Pri admitted to cheating

Im with you Tomla, was just crossing some t's and dotting some i's

[Tomla021]

thats ok no probs Turner

[Steve]

If I have to I can cheat, even now.  There are far many loopholes one doesn't need to work hard to find out.

Priyanka, I mis-read what you said. It wasnt a direct admission. You say you could cheat, but havent. I would like to see you cheat now though. You were probably made aware of the possibility of cheating when I explained on the forum about some bugs that needed fixing. Look I dont want to make a big deal out of it, but I know for a fact you were cheating. You can deny it to other people, but the logs show it and I have no doubt. I shut up about it because I didnt want to make a big deal as I knew it would. Already this thread is off the rails. The problem was you were misleading people by not telling them you were cheating. You let them believe your winnings were the result of a good system.

I knew I would get heat for telling the truth. I usually do. But I had enough of seeing people being misled.

That's just the same thing people say about any privacy issue. Why bother? i don't do anything. They may spy on me.

Rayman I'm not the NSA spying on people. I paid to create a free multiplayer game that members requested. To find bugs that would make the game unfair, we had to add logs. That's when I saw Priyanka was cheating. Almost every software has logs to fix bugs.

We can go in circles but its not going to achieve anything. I'm not saying anyone is scamming anyone. But I am saying Priyanka did cheat. Priyanka I'm not trying to start a war. The logs show what they show. And ow the cats out of the bag, I can reveal Turbo did testing with me to figure out in part how he was doing it.

As for the logging, if I wanted to steal people's systems, the logs would be much more structured towards reverse engineering systems. All they show is bets made, winning number and payouts. They dont show skipped spins or things like this that many systems here are based on. If i was interested in any systems, I would outright pay for them instead of spend hours sorting through logs trying to reverse engineer. Like i keep saying, show me a system that can replace my current methods, and I'll buy it from you

Also Priyanka why would you attack my methods? How are they relevant? Understand I'm not attacking you here. If simple facts dont suit you, what do you want me to do? I already shut up for a long time.

[RouletteGhost]

In what way was the cheating done

[Steve]

There were a few ways to exploit some issues. One was with multiple windows open, as I mentioned when I found the issue. It was easy to give yourself a large bankroll but doesnt seem to be possible now. Another way was exploiting communication between server and player's pc, but thats a lot of work and custom coding, but doesnt appear to be possible now either. But the biggest problem had to do with how the re-bet and remove bet functions worked. It allowed players to win on a number they didnt bet on. I'm pretty sure we fixed it because the logs show no further issues.

[falkor2k15]

Priyanka has been exposed as a charlatan!!!     

Steve, have you seen the Prestige? Were you able to spot in an instant how the magicians were tricking their audiences?

[falkor2k15]

That's so terrible re: Priyanka... Steve was kind enough to reveal the deception.... let's never talk about this ever again... Steve and I and the rest of us here all have good consciences!

[DoctorSudoku]

Hmmm...I could be wrong but it was more, "I know all the loopholes, but chose not to use them.."

Bit more subtle than "the opposite"

Listen, who gives a shit what I think, but I do think very deep.

Pri is a nice guy and intelligent and I hope he considers me a friend as much as I do him, but theres a mysterious  and devious element which I have berated him about many times in PM

I can do nice and intelligent, and I can do mysterious and devious.

But not in the same person usually

Anyways....Hes not selling and there is no proof shown here he cheated.

If he did cheat, its ironic that Steve who uses secret computers would suddenly be bothered about cheating.

If he did cheat, and won by monopolizing on flaws in the game,  Caleb would call it it AP

Priyanka is a female of Indian origin living in the UK, isn't she?

So why are you and the others referring to her as a male?

[RouletteGhost]

Priyanka is a female of Indian origin living in the UK, isn't she?

So why are you and the others referring to her as a male?

word on the street is priyanka is a dual poster

was on VLS for awhile

and is a man

[Priyanka]

I'm pretty sure we fixed it because the logs show no further issues.

Steve - I like to always provide detailed explanation as much as possible to the extent people would like it. You told everyone that things have been fixed as of sometime back. Turbo had an obsession of coming here and proving everyone that he will be first. Following is the status that Turbo posted on July 4.

Almost everyone was duped - and they ran around like a dog chasing it's tail instead of listening
to those who KNOW better.. Instead - those people get insulted.

Amazing how once the ability to cheat was removed - from that exact moment on -

If I said no I didnt, no one would believe me. I went and played again. Following is how it looks like.


See the difference in bankroll? See the difference in spins. Close to 100 spins played while maintaining the similar win ratio. I can keep going, but there is no point, is there?

Another way was exploiting communication between server and player's pc, but thats a lot of work and custom coding, but doesnt appear to be possible now either. But the biggest problem had to do with how the re-bet and remove bet functions worked. It allowed players to win on a number they didnt bet on. I'm pretty sure we fixed it because the logs show no further issues.

Steve - Now that I have cleared the air on cheating stuff, to confirm I DID NOT EXPLOIT THE LOOPHOLE FOR WINNING, let me tell you things are not always what you think they are. As I said, I am good at programming and have far more access to what you think I do. The whole thing got triggered with the conversation with one of my friends on why dont you play and the response of fishiness. I wanted to prove him wrong. But I couldnt believe what I saw when I got into the system. Logs which were there logging steps of play snooping. At that time, I couldnt say anything, as I didnt know why those logs were there.

So I decided to play with them. I decided to alter the communication between the server and PC by modifying the log that is being written, just to understand whether the logs were being read and tracked. Then suddenly you came up with a loophole that people were exploiting. I dont have a clue of what that loophole was and what you were trying to fix. So I stopped playing for sometime just to check whether you were referring to the messed up logs. After few days you came back saying that things are fixed now. The moment you posted that I started playing again and altered a few more logs, just to confirm. Then came the brilliant moment that confirmed all that. Within minutes, you posted saying, ooh, the loophole is not yet fixed, I will fix and confirm. What a load of jacksons I thought.  Things are not always what you think you are.

As Turner rightly knows and rightly says, dubiousness and mysteriousness is part of my nature. There are number of times, he has argued with me the methods that I use to make people think. There are times when he has been the voice of reason for me. Theres nothing to hide here. He used to say, I will alienate people if I use such dubiousness. He is right. But I think my job here is done. I have achieved what I wanted to achieve here.

But let me tell you the last thing I would do is exploit any loopholes to make people fall into searching for something that didnt exist. There's only one more person who can vouch on how I play, eventhough he doesnt know how I exactly play because we never shared with each other how we play. But we know it will more or less be the same as we use hte same concepts.

Also Priyanka why would you attack my methods? How are they relevant?

I never attack your methods. Never spoke about saying hidden computers are useless. I am and will remain an admirer of people who use technology. If I have attacked your methods anywhere, that would have been unintentional. I sincerely apologise. Even on the way i taught when you or general asked questions, I have never tried to rub them off as foolishness. Because I like being questioned, Questions invoke thoughts, I argued with you not to constrain the random thoughts only to people who wont question, I came out and posted in randomer thoughts. My desire here in this forum is merely to make people think. I dont negate AP, I dont negate computers, I dont negate VB. I negate foolishness of people when they think they know more than what they actually do.

As you rightly said, even I dont want to make it a war. But you owed an explanation from me and here it is. If there are still questions on this I can answer. End of the day, I can only say I didnt exploit, but it is left to anyone to believe it or not and I dont care what one believes in or not.

[Steve]

posts were removed because, as per recent poll, members want it removed. But may I suggest you guys not take everything so seriously.

Priyanka is a female of Indian origin living in the UK, isn't she?

All I'm aware of is ip is from india. I'm not here to argue who he or she is or isnt, or to say if his or her system is good. But yes a few people have pointed out information that he's a man. We really shouldnt care that much. I'm just explaining about the multiplayer game

[Steve]

Priyanka, ok so now you are saying you just hacked the server to edit the logs, and that's why it looked like you were cheating? There's so many holes in this claim, I'm not sure where to begin.

Yes I thought we did fix the cheating loophole, because I couldnt replicate the bankroll cheat, and neither could Turbo. But it turns out when you logged back on, we saw the problem still existed. It wasnt a bankroll cheat, it was something else.

Close to 100 spins played while maintaining the similar win ratio

To maintain the same ratio, you needed only to bet low and maintain the same win ratio as random bet selection. So if you bet on 0 and won about 3 times in 100 spins, you would have higher than average win rate. And if you won 4 times, it would be much higher. This is short term I'm talking about. So why is this your argument?

But I couldnt believe what I saw when I got into the system. Logs which were there logging steps of play snooping. At that time, I couldnt say anything, as I didnt know why those logs were there.

Well that's a load of doo-doo. Show me what's in the log exactly. Prove you had access.

I decided to alter the communication between the server and PC by modifying the log that is being written, just to understand whether the logs were being read and tracked.

Actually, altering communication would only send a different number, but it wouldnt at all affect the discrepancy in the logs which showed wins on bets you didnt make. So what you are saying is actually impossible unless you directly hacked into the server and had administrative rights, then manually edited the log like a text file. You cant do that unless you did it from my pc though, because the SSH login ignores any communication unless its from my ip. And I didnt see you in my house. Even if I edited the file as admin, it would crash the entire system because of difference between RAM and database. Also, I was monitoring the logs while you played. So were you constantly hacking and editing the file after each spin? Sorry Priyanka, you are lying.

After few days you came back saying that things are fixed now. The moment you posted that I started playing again and altered a few more logs, just to confirm. Then came the brilliant moment that confirmed all that. You posted saying, ooh, the loophole is not yet fixed, I will fix and confirm.

Awesome deception from you Priyanka. You have used one fact and twisted it to back your other lie. It's simple. We made one change that fixed one bug, but it turned out the bug you were exploiting was unrelated to the other bug.

As Turner rightly knows and rightly says, dubiousness and mysteriousness is part of my nature

On a forum, people can pretend to be anyone.

[RouletteGhost]

No matter who is right. Who is wrong. Who is lying. Or who is telling the truth

One thing is for sure

Whoever "priyanka" is, defintiely a smart person to have that capability

To even know how to do that. Wow.

[Steve]

Priyanka, lets say you figured a way to see the logs. You would not be able to edit them. Not even I could edit them because I'd need to synchronize the database with the RAM and running program. If it wasn't done, it would crash the game. It could only be done via SSH which can only be accessed from my ip address, and the programmers ip.

Whoever "priyanka" is, defintiely a smart person to have that capability To even know how to do that. Wow.

RG do you really believe him? Stumbling across a software glitch is not genius. Bugs exist in any new software. He didnt hack anything or intercept server-pc communications. What he said is not even possible because of how the software is designed.

The situation is simple. He cheated and mislead people into believing the winnings were the result of a good system. And to deny it, he's creating new lies.

[Priyanka]

Well that's a load of doo-doo. Show me what's in the log exactly. Prove you had access.

Steve - I will never post something that proves that I had access to the server. Within reasons, as I dont want a code red moment for me. But as you ask, let me show a sample of what potentially could have been posted in the logs.

- There should be a log entry to confirm whether a person has manually logged in in or not.
- If one is logged in and doesnt place a bet, there should be a log that says the person had not bet and had not won. Contrary to what you have said around  "They dont show skipped spins or things like this that many systems here are based on".
-  It will log the chip bets that i select. it will log the value of the chip without any prejudice like 25, 100 etc.
- Now lets say when i bet 100 on few numbers 20, 19 and 36, it should log something similar to the below:
CHECK BET: 20  100
CHECK BET: 19  100
BET 200 WON 0

So you do have complete access to what is happening on that table contrary to what you say. And finally Steve, I dont want a code red moment for me falling into the trap of a proof of me accessing the server.

So what you are saying is actually impossible unless you directly hacked into the server and had administrative rights, then manually edited the log like a text file. You cant do that unless you did it from my pc though, because the SSH login ignores any communication unless its from my ip.

I keep saying Steve - Always things are not always what you think they are. And there is much more in this world than one knows. You can be intelligent only upto a certain extent, there will always be an odd mistake, there will always be a footprint that you cant erase.

So why is this your argument?

The same old thing. As I said, there can always be arguments around less spin etc. Why only assume that you are telling the truth. You have admitted that you log things. May be for the good and may be its the truth. I am ready to accept it. I have said that I did not exploit the loophole. May be its the truth, why dont you want to see that side of things. See Steve, my only problem here is, I dont believe in single mindedness as it necessarily blocks people from thinking about possibilities. I am not leading people towards something that is not possible.