Question

[MrJ]

I have not read every post here, sorry if this was brought up. Regarding, switching numbers from source to source. Does this jump from RNG numbers, then to actuals, then back?

....or is this ONE long stream of numbers? I ask because, if the 7 and 21 are hot (for now) and the grouping changes, the 7 and 21 are now meaningless (imo). I hope my question/concern makes sense? I'm not the best at explaining things.

Ken

[Herby]

I don't know the right answer, but if you could give an exact definition of what the word "hot" (in connection to numbers) means to you, so it could easily be analyzed per programm.
grts
Herby

for reference see: link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=17018.msg156478#msg156478

[MrJ]

"Hot" has little to do with my question. I could say "cold" just as easily.

Ken

[Turner]

Ken....not sure what you are referinng to. Is it Steves game?

[ati]

If I remember correctly, Steve mentioned somewhere that the database contains live spins he received from his players. So it could be 50 spins form one source, the next 100 from an other.

[MrJ]

If I remember correctly, Steve mentioned somewhere that the database contains live spins he received from his players. So it could be 50 spins form one source, the next 100 from an other.

Yes, this is my question/point.

So if a couple certain numbers were HOT from one grouping, the next grouping, we are starting over (sort of)?

Ken

[Turner]

Yes, this is my question/point.

So if a couple certain numbers were HOT from one grouping, the next grouping, we are starting over (sort of)?

Ken

well no...


If a number is random, then it makes no difference where it come from or where its positioned.


There are no groupings


I just generated these numbers
22 3 13 27 19 7 31 8 12 28 10 9  <<<< 12 numbers random.org
25 32 27 0 21 26 29 2 14 30 24 5 <<<< 12 numbers Roulette Xtreme random
19 1 19 27 3 5 15 19 8 35 8 24 19 <<<< 13 live spins german casino


37 spins, 24 hit 6 repeats and 13 not hit. Nothing strange here


19 is hot because of "normal distribution" and isnt "not really hot" because the source of the numbers are different.


All that is hard to grasp...


The maths of normal distribution is because the numbers are random.


The pre requisite of this is the number was randomly generated (a random number is one that is drawn from a set of possible values, each of which is equally probable)
Of course, a biased wheel doesnt have a set of possible values that are equally probable

The AP player will know all the above, and know the numbers which are hitting above expectation due to bias, not normal distribution.

[nottophammer]

I just generated these numbers
22 3 13 27 19 7 31 8 12 28 10 9  <<<< 12 numbers random.org
25 32 27 0 21 26 29 2 14 30 24 5 <<<< 12 numbers Roulette Xtreme random
19 1 19 27 3 5 15 19 8 35 8 24 19 <<<< 13 live spins german casino


37 spins, 24 hit 6 repeats and 13 not hit. Nothing strange here curve fitting

I make 26 hit

[Turner]

I make 26 hit

Curve fitting..lol
I just counted wrong.
26 is quite normal.
No comments other than a counting mistake?

[Steve]

I can only upload part of the spins file at a time because it's huge and server would have problems. If it reaches the end and i forget to upload the next part, then it switches the rng until i upload the next part. I don't forget because i get reminders but sometimes i didnt change it in time. Like maybe 1 day on rng (if any) for every 20 days of spins database.

[Steve]

ps, its still possible that players scrape results and find accidental overlapping spins, or exploit the poor RNG (which comes from the centos operating system). From server logs I can see when a user does this, and wont let them get away with it.

[MrJ]

Ok, I got it.

Ken

[MrJ]

well no...


If a number is random, then it makes no difference where it come from or where its positioned.


There are no groupings

So Turner, if the 35 was hit 6 times in the last 20 spins and then the "group of numbers" changed, you feel it'll be exactly the same?

Ken

[XXVV]

I have really enjoyed using Steve's game to exercise various techniques but the one that is of use is warm/ hot numbers and a grouping of 16 constant numbers I play as corner bets. I know the bet characteristics of these methods in great detail so use warning triggers to pause/ stop/ start/ attack/ take profit. I understand the tranches of live spin numbers come in approximate 300 spins which say for a German table might be average.


Yes it is most helpful if you know the cut point because any progressions/ leads/ short cycle characteristics/ signals/ hots can all be made redundant with a session change.


However, and happily the 16 number corner bets can crunch through such randomisers sometimes without problems.


This morning numbers 1, 2 and 0 were outstandingly hot and Kubrick took full advantage.


Great question, and again sincere thanks to Steve for hosting this.

[Steve]

Thanks and you're welcome. Everyone also needs to keep in mind its a community game, so when there's something like obvious bad RNG being used (the default rng is very bad) I need to know about it because it means the spin file finished. There needs to be another mod added so I can be notified or something like a server reboot, which would mean it would switch to rng prematurely. So the system is not perfect, but other than bad rng and accidentally repeating spin files, there doesnt appear to be any cheating loophole anymore.