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[RouletteGhost]

My point is no matter how the chips got there the bets have the same odds

If you bet 2 numbers that are hot or 2 numbers when the wind is 3mph it does not matter. Same odds

Im not saying triggers cant work though...

[Turner]

The best system ever >> bet the 2 4 6 only after an odd number hits and WITH a progression, what do you think of this system??

Point is this.....not one system guy here can say this system sucks! If everything is the SAME, this is not a bad system, it cant be.

Ken

I keep saying this.


No matter how you choose the reason why you place chips on the carpet, the snapshot of those chips, as they are placed, from an observer who doesnt know your method/system will observe that those odds will not be paid in full due to the HE and can correctly say that the bets will lose in the long run.


You are placing chips within the games inbuilt negative expectation.


Thats an absolute fact, unless someone can prove me wrong.

[XXVV]

Is MB 16 a rigid set 2/5-11/15-16/20-31/35.
One more ? WF means

Thanks

Yes M16 is a rigid fixed set of 16. This is deliberate because the cycle moves in and out of win/ loss cycles and the patterns are easy to observe for a quick response to enable a short trend more often than not to be seized upon. That is why I play very short sessions. Sometimes 1 spin, sometimes 20-30 if I need to recover from a mistake./ correction where possible. Sometimes I have to take a loss. Win cycles often enable a triple series of 1 spin win outcomes. This can give a 5-10,000 (on this table to the max) unit gain in 3-5 spins sometimes. Then get out and take profit.


WF is 'warm fuzzy' means we target warm numbers ( 2 appearances and we play for a third appearance).

[MrJ]

My point is no matter how the chips got there the bets have the same odds

If you bet 2 numbers that are hot or 2 numbers when the wind is 3mph it does not matter. Same odds

Im not saying triggers cant work though...

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Its all in your wording RG. If you say triggers can work, then you are not battling 5.26% (2.7%)

Then we can throw that word around...EDGE. Do I think its an edge? Heck no. Do you? You cant say its not an edge IF YOU BELIEVE IN TRIGGERS. Again, the wording.

Ken

[MrJ]

Yes M16 is a rigid fixed set of 16. This is deliberate because the cycle moves in and out of win/ loss cycles and the patterns are easy to observe for a quick response to enable a short trend more often than not to be seized upon. That is why I play very short sessions. Sometimes 1 spin, sometimes 20-30 if I need to recover from a mistake./ correction where possible. Sometimes I have to take a loss. Win cycles often enable a triple series of 1 spin win outcomes. This can give a 5-10,000 (on this table to the max) unit gain in 3-5 spins sometimes. Then get out and take profit.


WF is 'warm fuzzy' means we target warm numbers ( 2 appearances and we play for a third appearance).

...but according to others, this system is no better than picking birthdays AND short sessions mean nothing. Again, EVERYONE should finish the same?

Ken

[MrJ]

RG, I'm not really sure what you believe? Why not play my 2 4 6 system I just posted? Its no better/worse than GUT/KTF, correct?

Ken

[MrJ]

The best system ever >> bet the 2 4 6 only after an odd number hits and WITH a progression, what do you think of this system??

Point is this.....not one system guy here can say this system sucks! If everything is the SAME, this is not a bad system, it cant be.

Ken

Lets see who answers this......who thinks this system is ok, sucks or great?

Ken

[MrJ]

I keep saying this.


No matter how you choose the reason why you place chips on the carpet, the snapshot of those chips, as they are placed, from an observer who doesnt know your method/system will observe that those odds will not be paid in full due to the HE and can correctly say that the bets will lose in the long run.


You are placing chips within the games inbuilt negative expectation.


Thats an absolute fact, unless someone can prove me wrong.

Turner, I'm not trying to put you on the spot but too many people ride the fence with this. Is there a specific method you play (or would play) and I dont mean out of enjoyment? I am not asking for the details of the method, I dont care. If you say NO, then you know what my next post is.....

[MrJ]

It took me about 5 seconds to come up with this goofy 2 4 6 system. Compare that to my current VERY VERY decent 2 number method (I keep bragging about, sorry). It took me well over a year to just come up with the RULES, not counting actual play time. So BOTH methods are the same? No fu***n way.

Ken

[Turner]

Lets see who answers this......who thinks this system is ok, sucks or great?

Ken

I did answer it. Its just chips on the carpet that have the same odds as any other method.


Its OK. It may win then eventually lose in the long run


You will probably stay in the game longer though, with a couple of numbers flat bet....but same outcome

[Turner]

Is there a specific method you play (or would play) and I dont mean out of enjoyment? I am not asking for the details of the method, I dont care. If you say NO, then you know what my next post is.....

Of course there is. Its designed to keep me in the game as long as possible....but I will lose eventually

[MrJ]

I did answer it. Its just chips on the carpet that have the same odds as any other method.


Its OK. It may win then eventually lose in the long run


You will probably stay in the game longer though, with a couple of numbers flat bet....but same outcome

(lol) I know you answered, I meant the total number of people that answer, sorry.

So we have....

A) Its ok

B) It sucks

C) Its great

D) Makes no difference, WHICH ALSO can mean...it does not suck.

Usually how I know I bring up a great point/question....I get few answers (lol), thats how I know. People dont want to associate their NAME to something in case it gets QUOTED in future conversations.

Ken

[MrJ]

Of course there is. Its designed to keep me in the game as long as possible....but I will lose eventually

Ok, step two. So you agree (or not) that your method is no better than my 5 second system....the 2 4 6 system? Same end results, correct?

Ken

[RouletteGhost]

I fully understand and i fully grasp that systems will "lose" in the long run due to HE

However i have a good time creating different methods, using triggers, and setting a stop loss and win goal

I do believe some methods win more then others

[MrJ]

 

I do believe some methods win more then others

Although I agree with this, I am not suppose to. (I hope that made sense?)

A certain "decent" method (mine, Turner's etc.), should *NOT* last any longer than the 2 4 6 system...if its all the same...not my words.

Ken