visual ballistics

[RouletteGhost]

Does anyone play VB?

Nowadays it has got to be hard, these dealers call no more bets fast

essentially the idea is where the ball is released and where it should land based on where it is released

with some variables, for example we have to see the speeds at which the dealer is most likely to spin

roulette computers can do this well but in the states it is either jail or broken bones

so we have to rely on eyes and facts

the dealer releases the ball at number 7 we know from observing it is likely to hit the 32 sector

how realistic is this

how likely is it for the dealer to spin at the same speed every spin? even a slight barely measurable difference can affect it

i get no more bets FAST

lets say we have VB down pat, we know how to play it and we are good at it. BUT the dealer slows down and the ball is not landing where you thought it should have based on his/her speeds. does that not make VB as affective as playing any system or random betting?

is this a fallacy to?

same as any bias. the wheel can be biased until kingdom come. but if the wheel speed and release point avoid it then any bet would have the same affect

[RouletteGhost]

how REALISTIC is AP is what I am getting at

the people that play AP obviously lose at times

they do not win ENOUGH to have villas and mansions and to be featured like Dan Bilzerian and his weekend excursions

if AP was a full proof thing I do not believe an internet forum would be the place to be

it would be magical vacations, a life outside the net

can wins of AP players be the product of variance and/or luck?

lets see some proof. we need PROOF.

exactly how different is advantage play from random betting or systematic play?

ONCE THESE CHIPS HIT THE MAT, THEY SUCCUMB LIKE PEASANTS TO THE SAME HOUSE EDGE AND PROBABILITY AS ANY OTHER BET. THESE CHIPS ARE PEASANTS, TREAT THEM AS SUCH. THEY SHOULD NOT MAKE YOU OR BREAK YOU. IT IS A GAME.

SO MY ADVICE IS THIS: Play as you wish. Use money you can afford to lose. Have fun. Make friends. Be a good person. For god sakes, shower. Don't be a sour human being. Enjoy the game. That is what it is, A GAME

[Scarface]

I'm thinking VB has to be very difficult, and not too consistent.  If it were, there would be lots of wealthy roulette players who use this method.

Just a measly 5% daily return on a 10k bankroll could make you a millionaire in weeks. 

[Steve]

Actually it's not that difficult.  Just takes some practise and time to find the right conditions.  And it's a lot more common than you think.

The problem is being discrete, not winning in the first place.  You can't just win millions with late bets and expect to not be noticed. That's why winnings are more modest, not millions in weeks. What i have is far better than vb. A hidden camera that does it all.  but it is still limited for the same reason.

[RouletteGhost]

Actually it's not that difficult.  Just takes some practise and time to find the right conditions.  And it's a lot more common than you think.

The problem is being discrete, not winning in the first place.  You can't just win millions with late bets and expect to not be noticed. That's why winnings are more modest, not millions in weeks. What i have is far better than vb. A hidden camera that does it all.  but it is still limited for the same reason.

I hear you

When i successfully play systems i win modest. Ill take 100 and walk

So i get you on that point

Or you can use your camera make millions in a week and be done

[Bigbroben]

I'd like to know:

how many numbers would an average AP player put chips on?
Just from lower to higher range.

I thought: could a beginner start with 35 nrs, and with experience, reducing the range much lower?

Would it be possible to lay units on 37 nrs before ball release, then removing 2 or 3 before the time is out?

The last question come from me thinking it would be easier to spot a few nrs where the ball is NOT going to land, instead of where it will?

[Steve]

Betting fewer numbers gives a higher edge,but lower profit per hour. A computer can get a 200% edge betting 1 number, although betting 5 or so numbers may give half the edge but several timed the profit per hour.

What you bet often depends on whats required to avoid detection

[Bigbroben]

Would it be possible to lay units on 37 nrs before ball release, then removing 2 or 3, or more, before the time is out?

The last question come from me thinking it would be easier to spot a few nrs where the ball is NOT going to land, instead of where it will?

Say, can this be done?
Let's say I have no computer, just my eyes and head.

With practise, what's easiest to accomplish first: to know where the ball is going to land, or where it is NOT going to land?

Ex: I'd put units on all 37 nrs before ball release, then remove the units on the few nrs, like 6nrs, I know it's not going to go.
Certainly it would be possible to lose less than 6 times every 37 spins.

Right?

[Steve]

No if you bet too many numbers youll include ones that have a negative edge. Then youll have overall no edge. Its best to just bet whatever you can, at least 1 number per peak in your charts.

[Bigbroben]

OK,
so what percentage of the wheel should a beginner cover?

[Steve]

It depends on what your charts show. But start at 1 number per peak with the understanding variance means you may hit the right area but still lose. In the longer term its not an issue, but longer play means your behavior is more transparent.

[Proofreaders2000]

My two cents.

VB is great (if the casino allows bets after ball release)

Some other things to consider for a newbie:

Wheel bias (Steve H says it's credible
after 300 consecutive spins) *paraphrase*

My personal touchstone: Dealer signature-every dealer has an
unique unconscious sector of the wheel he/she tends to hit above statistics.

[The General]

My two cents.

VB is great (if the casino allows bets after ball release)

Some other things to consider for a newbie:

Wheel bias (Steve H says it's credible
after 300 consecutive spins) *paraphrase*

My personal touchstone: Dealer signature-every dealer has an
unique unconscious sector of the wheel he/she tends to hit above statistics.

So?  Travel.  Get out and see the world.

Also, don't bet so many numbers.  You'll wash out any edge that you get if you do.   Stick to between just one and 13. 

Good luck.

[Steve]

Wheel bias (Steve H says it's credible
after 300 consecutive spins) *paraphrase*

Fully read what i wrote. No way 300 spins and nothing else is enough for bias.

[Proofreaders2000]

Just offering my two cents.  Above all in Roulette as well as
gambling) increase the accuracy of predictions (to be successful)

I also agree with Steve H re: unfair payouts (which is a valid reason imo to pursue
other types of investments: real estate, stock market, starting a small business, etc.)

If you do continue in Roulette remember the importance of a proper bankroll.

Rule of thumb: If you want to make 500 units have a
500 unit bankroll.  If you want 5000 profit have a 5000 unit bankroll.