Online casino countermeasure for players of bias?

[WannaWin]

Anyone know if playtech video feed and other online roulette frequently change their wheels in front of the camera with others of the the same brand.

For example: various wheels have the same type so that the person seeking to attack with BIAS is counter attacked by providing different numbers of wheels but passing like the same  to the human eye.

Thanks.
WannaWin

[albalaha]

Dear Friend,
                       Biased wheel is an old story and nowadays good casinos use wheels like Huxley and Cammegh which are not likely to be biased towards any number/sector. They have regular maintainance and testings and if a bias ever appear, they correct it as early as possible. If you track the hot and cold numbers daily in any casino, it keeps changing due to perfection in wheel.

[WannaWin]

I know that casinos are not indifferent to winning certified techniques for each of their games.

In the case of cards is card counters.

In the case of craps the advanced shooting. While this is debatable.

And in the case of roulette are advanced techniques such as BIAS and the "Visual Ballistic." techniques.

To achieve the most obvious countermeasure for bias is the timely maintenance of all cylinders, but as in an online game people do not have the opportunity to recognize the minimum marks and scratches on the discs very well, I wonder if could they do pass a lot of roulette wheels with equal brand for the same roulette wheel in the eyes of the online players?

Mr. Albalaha in your opinion no player should find detours to apply to make online roulette BIAS play? Is there any possibility of being conducive to the BIAS of an online wheel like DublinBet perhaps because they are real casino roulette?

Thank you very much.
WannaWin

[albalaha]

Visual Ballistics and Bias analysis both are vague concepts and have no meaning in todays world. You may find biased wheels in rotten casinos but in good ones, it is more than difficult.

[WannaWin]

Visual Ballistics and Bias analysis both are vague concepts and have no meaning in todays world.

But Mr. Steve sells PDF ebook with visual ballistic and bias method for $$$$.

Also other sellers like Mr. forester affirm they have the visual method to beat roulette.

Maybe only commercial interests. Shame.

You may find biased wheels in rotten casinos but in good ones, it is more than difficult.

Where are those rotten casinos located?

Thank you.
WannaWin

[albalaha]

Mr. Steve is a cheat and had been to jail also for cheatings. If you use roulette computers to get any edge in a land based casino, the chances are you will come out with broken legs or wake up next day in prison. the speed of ball is far greater than your eyes and there are four diamonds in the wheel to deviate the ball, hence it is foolish to try to clock the speed of the ball and estimate where will it land next. I don't know much about Forester but use of roulettecomputer can get you in troubles.
         These guys have forums just to endorse their silly products. They charge 1000s of dollars for these idiotic stuffs.
                            Our forum is only place which is not endorsing anything. Think of more rational ideas to get an edge over roulette than thinking about visual ballistics or dealer's signature or bias analysis. Biased wheels can be found in old stories only or in casinos which do not care about maintainance of the wheel on a regular basis.

[WannaWin]

Mr. Steve is a cheat and had been to jail also for cheatings. If you use roulette computers to get any edge in a land-based casino, the chances are you will come out with broken legs or wake up next day in prison. the speed of ball is far greater than your eyes and there are four diamonds in the wheel to deviate the ball, hence it is foolish to try to clock the speed of the ball and estimate where will it land next. I don't know much about Forester but use of roulettecomputer can get you in troubles.
        These guys have forums just to endorse their silly products. They charge 1000s of dollars for these unintelligent stuffs.

Many thanks for your answer Mr. Albalaha

Our forum is only place which is not endorsing anything.

This is not true because Mr. Victor is selling a tool for online numbers here.

Unlike the others sellers like Mr. Steve who ask for thousands of dollars in advance and then give the product. For only 1 USD and free sample anyone won't tell what Mr. Victor scams because they will not go into poverty with that low price and after using free sample, but it is still a sale endorsement.

I have a problem with all scams online.I am only waiting to see. If successful to buyers then it is not a scam, but if it proves a loser for buyers then unless he removes it from the market it is dishonest.

I also have a problem with the way Mr. Victor is dealing with sales here because he speaks for 2 mouths. In a mouth he prohibits the sales in the forum and in the other he is openly selling a betting service for members here.

I do not see just the treatment you were given to sell here Mr. Albalaha when the manager sells himself.

All can sell or no one sells. That is the fair.

Think of more rational ideas to get an edge over roulette than thinking about visual ballistics or dealer's signature or bias analysis.

If you ask others these are the rational ways for them.

For many, the study of numbers is the rational way.

For many it is the statistics.

For many it is the physical.

I guess we have to learn to respect each point of view on what is rational or not.
Thank you for your views.

WannaWin

[WannaWin]

If my comment about the sales and this post is deleted we already know what standard is here.

[albalaha]

Dear Friend,
             I am very sorry if I hurt you unintentionally. So far as Victor is concerned, I think he is fair enough by providing it for testing. I personally feel that every system/tool seller should not be branded as scammer without knowing his stuff. It is a matter of choice only.  If Victor's tool will fail to provide clear positive results in most of sessions, it will be rejected automatically. Everyone here has gathered only to get some idea as to how to WIN MORE AND LOSE LESS atleast in long run. A person who is so open with his tool should not be labelled as scammer atleast. Scam always has hidden things and Victor is hiding nothing. Even I openly asked Victor to review my King system but he is totally against sale of any system here. It is OK.  I can not give my system to everyone to see before buying because it is a written material and its trial version can not be prepared as in the case of any tool/software.

[VLS]

Hello dear WannaWin,

Don't worry, your posts aren't going to be removed, you are just voicing your opinions.

What Albalaha said above is true:

If Victor's tool will fail to provide clear positive results in most of sessions, it will be rejected automatically.

Say somebody asks for trial and I give him 10 sessions and he/she loses 9 times in a row and wins only 1... no real-money buys for sure!

Only if the tool delivers to users it is going to be a success. This is what I strive for.

Also I have to say I feel better by offering a service than asking for donations to sustain the forum.

On the point of allowing unrestricted sellings, imagine every system seller coming here to sell his material. Quite a mess and detrimental to the overall quality of our forum's posts.

Think about this as a "controlled sales" proposition, only an endogenous service that benefit us as a community allowed.

Kind regards.
Victor

[albalaha]

Victor,
     Please explain your views and experiences on bias analysis, dealer's signature and Visual ballistics.
Do you feel they can make someone an advantage player without using any device?

[VLS]

Dear Albalaha,

In my opinion they are valid as long as the right conditions are met.



As soon as 3 days ago (October 14, 2010) a fellow argentinian player requested me to create a data mining application for bias analysis since he confirms the maintenance of the automated wheels's discs is very poor in some casinos from his country, he has thousands of spins from some deviated cylinders he spotted.

I politely declined since I'm programming the tool, but I know he's making money with BIAS for several years now.

Also, around other 3rd-world countries you spot wheels which are visibly unlevelled, to the naked eye. But as long as the casino makes money from them, they refuse to buy new equipment.

I've seem them to my disbelief; I specially recall seeing last year an old automated wheel which said "roulette gaine ette" on a black & white screen. I just couldn't stay long enough for BIAS analysis but remember asking my travel partner if he could also see what I'm seeing and we both agreed the wheel visibly had zones which looked "up and down" from a fixed point of the border as it spun.

BIAS play is alive and kicking in many parts of the world! (Specially 3rd-world countries)



Regarding dealer signature I have mostly used the "blind" version in my early years. Later on I knew hybrid signature was a more proper way to go.

"Blind" being observing the flow of numbers (assuming the dealer takes the ball from last number and spins it right away) and correlating last and current numbers by pocket distances in the wheel.

"Hybrid" being possible because of the wheel allowing it because of a dominant drop and its speed and the dealer being sluggish/repetitive.

This signature version is based on the number of revolutions the ball makes, assuming at a certain wheel speed (and with a verified dominant drop point) the dealer may have more chances to hit a section in a larger amount of revolutions than with some other speed/revolutions combination.

Consider this:

The repetitive dealer spins the ball for 18 to 22 revolutions (significant distribution "belly").

At wheel speed "one" the ball can hit wheel section "A" from release number in 3 of the revs.

At wheel speed "two" the dealer can hit wheel section "A" from release number in 2 of the revs.

At wheel speed "three" the dealer can hit wheel section "A" from release number in 1 of the revs.

You use the count in your head to measure and look for the best wheel speeds that have the most chance to hit a section based on the distribution of revolutions like mentioned above.

This dealer signature version needs a dominant drop for it to work (mandatory) and it can give you a real (physical) edge, but of course it is still not as good as proper Visual Ballistics, which accounts for much more factors (i.e. scatter, etc.)



Regarding Visual Ballistics. I get the concepts but you are better off asking Kelly and the other "ballistics people" at the other forums than me regarding actual application in current casino conditions.

Regards,
Victor

[Bayes]

If you ask others these are the rational ways for them.

For many, the study of numbers is the rational way.

For many it is the statistics.

For many it is the physical.

I guess we have to learn to respect each point of view on what is rational or not.
Thank you for your views.

WannaWin

Strictly speaking, the physical approach is the only rational one. If you assume that the wheel is fair (unbiased and independent outcomes) and then try to beat it using numbers and statistics based on that assumption, then this is a contradiction because the very fairness (randomness) of the wheel is what ensures that it's unbeatable (even without factoring in the house edge).

Since system designers DO assume a fair wheel, they are being inconsistent. If they assumed that the wheel was biased (or tried to locate some bias) then they would be taking a physical approach and there would be no inconsistency.

It really comes down to cause and effect; if you know the cause you can predict the effect to some extent, and it's irrelevant to the rationality of the enterprise whether you will be successful. On the other hand, numbers and statistics don't "cause" anything - statistics are an accumulation of effects, so by attempting to predict outcomes from them you are essentially putting the cart before the horse.

However, many roulette enthusiasts use and invent systems (myself included) because they are not 100% convinced by the above argument (even if they're aware of it). Does that make us "irrational"? maybe, but the concept of "random" is very difficult to pin down; there is really no such thing as a "perfect" random number generator - how would we ever know if/when we find it?

[albalaha]

Great Bayes,
                   you are really very sound with the fundamentals of roulette, but don't you feel we need to find some other ways also except looking for a biased wheel? Gambling is a synonym of uncertainity and we will have to fight that and what should be done with RNG?