UDP - Unique Dozen Progression

[RouletteGhost]

Playing this way, what is the longest loss streak you have experienced

[Willie]

Playing this way, what is the longest loss streak you have experienced

Longest loss till how has been 13 times the third spin wasn't unique

[Willie]

You are betting for a unique 3

Only way a single dozen progression will lose is if a dozen sleeps a long time

Which does happen

So can i suggest a 3 wide matrix?

Only bet every 3rd spin if the prior 2 were unique. this limits exposure

Here we won't be betting on the same dozen continuously and even if we do it would take a lot of spins to even reach the tenth bet with our bet selection and by that time the betting dozen will surely change (when missing dozen turns up) like-

1
3
3- bet here
1
3- bet here
1- bet here
1- bet here
3
0- bet here
1
3
1- bet here
1- bet here
3
3
3
1- bet here

[Thunder Pants]

Hi denzie,

Play the opposite of what?

I believe what Denzie so cryptic refer to is Grassroots or variation.
Its a very long read over 120 pages & with raw action of biblical porportions, but ill save you the read.

Grassroots idea: Bet 2x dozen against a unique pattern of 3 in sets of 3. Aka what is the chance that the roulette hits exactly dosen 123 123 or 123 123 123? Very uncommon to unlikely.

So original bet: we get against 123 will happen so first we bet dozen 2 and 3 as we think it wont hit 1st dozen. If we win great, stop and wait 2 turns. However if we lost the first bet then on the second bet we bet against 2 happening & bet on dozen 1 & 3. If we win the second bet great, wait a turn. If we lost the 2nd bet we finally bet against 3rd dozen happening by betting on 1 and 2 dozen.
Progression 1-3-9 units.

Conclusions & variations:
Progression: looking at data someone noticed that so many wins happened on 1st & 2nd bet that it might actually be better to simply skip the 3rd bet and accept a loss as those 9 units is a lot and a loss its quickly recovered if you simply has patience. Also "stepping up" like 1-3 first but if it fails then recover with 2-6 units bets seems much more logic.

Numbers to bet: some walked away thinking that they had found the "holy" number (maybe 312 is the meaning of life) and continually betting against it .. and others walked away thinking its better to "guerilla" like and continually bet against a new random set like 123 then 221 then 332 then 111 etc.

Coloums: why wouldnt it work the same-ish with coloums. Or even better mix em. Some people swear that playing against 1 dozen, 2 coloum, 3 dozen "is king".

Zero protection: this is by most people considered a "hit & run" strategy so dont forget to cover zero if your "unit" is large.

Sticking to sets of 3: probably something you might want to but data isnt conclusive (if i recall right). Something about 12X 12X 12X you might escape the "doom" that 12 12 12 betting will bring you.

Anyways, back to your single dozen strategy. I guess something could be "borrow" from grassroots, like the guerilla random unique set change? Just an idea 

[Willie]

Hi RG,

Yes a sleeping dozen is what would knacker you.        Perhaps stop when get to 8, 9 or 10 misses.  Restart when missing dozen appears again.  There are lots of hits with this so that should not be too much of a problem.

A matrix is a good idea.   Thanks.

Sleeping dozen won't be a problem because 8,9 or 10 misses for a specific dozen would happen in much more spins mostly 15+, so the pattern would definitely change after that

[RouletteGhost]

I believe what Denzie so cryptic refer to is Grassroots or variation.
Its a very long read over 120 pages & with raw action of biblical porportions, but ill save you the read.

Grassroots idea: Bet 2x dozen against a unique pattern of 3 in sets of 3. Aka what is the chance that the roulette hits exactly dosen 123 123 or 123 123 123? Very uncommon to unlikely.

So original bet: we get against 123 will happen so first we bet dozen 2 and 3 as we think it wont hit 1st dozen. If we win great, stop and wait 2 turns. However if we lost the first bet then on the second bet we bet against 2 happening & bet on dozen 1 & 3. If we win the second bet great, wait a turn. If we lost the 2nd bet we finally bet against 3rd dozen happening by betting on 1 and 2 dozen.
Progression 1-3-9 units.

Conclusions & variations:
Progression: looking at data someone noticed that so many wins happened on 1st & 2nd bet that it might actually be better to simply skip the 3rd bet and accept a loss as those 9 units is a lot and a loss its quickly recovered if you simply has patience. Also "stepping up" like 1-3 first but if it fails then recover with 2-6 units bets seems much more logic.

Numbers to bet: some walked away thinking that they had found the "holy" number (maybe 312 is the meaning of life) and continually betting against it .. and others walked away thinking its better to "guerilla" like and continually bet against a new random set like 123 then 221 then 332 then 111 etc.

Coloums: why wouldnt it work the same-ish with coloums. Or even better mix em. Some people swear that playing against 1 dozen, 2 coloum, 3 dozen "is king".

Zero protection: this is by most people considered a "hit & run" strategy so dont forget to cover zero if your "unit" is large.

Sticking to sets of 3: probably something you might want to but data isnt conclusive (if i recall right). Something about 12X 12X 12X you might escape the "doom" that 12 12 12 betting will bring you.

Anyways, back to your single dozen strategy. I guess something could be "borrow" from grassroots, like the guerilla random unique set change? Just an idea 

Im impressed. Lol

[denzie]

Parlay 28/28 - 14/14 - 18/18 - 24/24 - 32/32 - 40/40 - 40/40

3 -1 - bet 3/1 with 28u ... 1
2-2 - no bet
0-2 - no bet
1-2 - bet 1/2 with 14u ... 1
2-3 - bet 2/3 with 18 u... 2
Etc....

Track some sessions and see how many loses you can get in a row. Mostly 2 or a rare 3. So you can choose to start straight away or you can wait till a vl.

I'm tracking this all the time while playing my hotties. And going in after 2 vl in a row made the full parlay many times. Going in after 1vl does it too....anyway just mention it 

[Normy2000]

Interesting... 

Rx code:

Code Select Expand


default       
system "Willie UDP system v1"

method "main"
begin
    While Starting a New Session
    begin
        Set List [1,1,2,2,3,3,4,4,5,5,6,6,7,7,8,8,9,9] to record "Progression" Data
        put 1 to record "Progression" data index
        set flag "BetOn" to false
        exit
    end
   
    // tracking
    if flag "BetOn" is true
    begin
        call "Win-Loss"
    end
   
    copy last number to record "last number" layout
    track last Dozen for 2 spins to record "Last 2Doz" layout

    if record "last number" layout = number 0
    begin
        clear record "Last 2Doz" layout
    end
   
    if List [1st Dozen, 2nd Dozen] has a pattern match on record "Last 2Doz" layout
    or List [2nd Dozen, 1st Dozen] has a pattern match on record "Last 2Doz" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "Progression" data on 3rd Dozen
        set flag "BetOn" to true
    end

    if List [1st Dozen, 3rd Dozen] has a pattern match on record "Last 2Doz" layout
    or List [3rd Dozen, 1st Dozen] has a pattern match on record "Last 2Doz" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "Progression" data on 2nd Dozen
        set flag "BetOn" to true
    end

    if List [2nd Dozen, 3rd Dozen] has a pattern match on record "Last 2Doz" layout
    or List [3rd Dozen, 2nd Dozen] has a pattern match on record "Last 2Doz" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "Progression" data on 1st Dozen
        set flag "BetOn" to true
    end
end
// =============================================

method "Win-Loss"
begin
    if flag "BetOn" is true
    begin
        set flag "BetOn" to false
        if any dozen bet has won each
        begin
            if record "Progression" data index > 3
            begin
                subtract 3 to record "Progression" data index
                exit
            end
            if record "Progression" data index < 4
            begin
                put 1 to record "Progression" data index
            end
        end
        else
        begin
            add 1 to record "Progression" data index
        end
    end
end


[Willie]

I believe what Denzie so cryptic refer to is Grassroots or variation.
Its a very long read over 120 pages & with raw action of biblical porportions, but ill save you the read.

Grassroots idea: Bet 2x dozen against a unique pattern of 3 in sets of 3. Aka what is the chance that the roulette hits exactly dosen 123 123 or 123 123 123? Very uncommon to unlikely.

So original bet: we get against 123 will happen so first we bet dozen 2 and 3 as we think it wont hit 1st dozen. If we win great, stop and wait 2 turns. However if we lost the first bet then on the second bet we bet against 2 happening & bet on dozen 1 & 3. If we win the second bet great, wait a turn. If we lost the 2nd bet we finally bet against 3rd dozen happening by betting on 1 and 2 dozen.
Progression 1-3-9 units.

Conclusions & variations:
Progression: looking at data someone noticed that so many wins happened on 1st & 2nd bet that it might actually be better to simply skip the 3rd bet and accept a loss as those 9 units is a lot and a loss its quickly recovered if you simply has patience. Also "stepping up" like 1-3 first but if it fails then recover with 2-6 units bets seems much more logic.

Numbers to bet: some walked away thinking that they had found the "holy" number (maybe 312 is the meaning of life) and continually betting against it .. and others walked away thinking its better to "guerilla" like and continually bet against a new random set like 123 then 221 then 332 then 111 etc.

Coloums: why wouldnt it work the same-ish with coloums. Or even better mix em. Some people swear that playing against 1 dozen, 2 coloum, 3 dozen "is king".

Zero protection: this is by most people considered a "hit & run" strategy so dont forget to cover zero if your "unit" is large.

Sticking to sets of 3: probably something you might want to but data isnt conclusive (if i recall right). Something about 12X 12X 12X you might escape the "doom" that 12 12 12 betting will bring you.

Anyways, back to your single dozen strategy. I guess something could be "borrow" from grassroots, like the guerilla random unique set change? Just an idea 

Nice analysis of the grassroots thunder pants, but we all have gone through that so know all about it

The thing you mentioned about trying 'guerilla random unique set change' well in this bet of mine we are expecting the combinations of
1,2,3
3,2,1
1,3,2
2,3,1
3,1,2
2,1,3

You see this is waiting for the unique combinations by default

[Thunder Pants]

Im impressed. Lol

Hehe, thanks! it was quite a long read (could have used a bit more romance in there).

...
3 -1 - bet 3/1 with 28u ... 1

Ah, yes i forgot to mention the importence of waiting for the unique 3 to happens first .. the bet against it repeating. Kinda importent that.

Nice analysis of the grassroots thunder pants, but we all have gone through that so know all about it

The thing you mentioned about trying 'guerilla random unique set change' well in this bet of mine we are expecting the combinations of
1,2,3
3,2,1
1,3,2
2,3,1
3,1,2
2,1,3

You see this is waiting for the unique combinations by default

Ah yes. Been thinking the logic behind hitting a single dozen. Some of the logic behind Grassroots was (if i recall right) that the wheel in the long run hopefully show 50/50 red/black etc .. but in the short run isnt fair and bounches all over the place like a ball randomly. Aka something like 121,222,122,332 should happen more often than 123, 312, 231 etc. I think someone mentioned that looking thru data for 123, 123 happening is only 1 in 60-ish (please dont hold me to that its been a while since i read about it).

Idea: If we where to chase a single dozen for the non-unique to happen. Might be worth writing down dozen frequenzy to track if a dozen is sleeping, thus if 3rd is sleeping then bet on 111,111,111 or 121,212,221 .. or 333,333,333 if you think it will awaken.

[Willie]

Parlay 28/28 - 14/14 - 18/18 - 24/24 - 32/32 - 40/40 - 40/40

3 -1 - bet 3/1 with 28u ... 1
2-2 - no bet
0-2 - no bet
1-2 - bet 1/2 with 14u ... 1
2-3 - bet 2/3 with 18 u... 2
Etc....

Track some sessions and see how many loses you can get in a row. Mostly 2 or a rare 3. So you can choose to start straight away or you can wait till a vl.

I'm tracking this all the time while playing my hotties. And going in after 2 vl in a row made the full parlay many times. Going in after 1vl does it too....anyway just mention it 

Denzie didn't understand your variation, seems entirely different from mine 

[Willie]

Interesting... 

Rx code:

Code Select Expand


default       
system "Willie UDP system v1"

method "main"
begin
    While Starting a New Session
    begin
        Set List [1,1,2,2,3,3,4,4,5,5,6,6,7,7,8,8,9,9] to record "Progression" Data
        put 1 to record "Progression" data index
        set flag "BetOn" to false
        exit
    end
   
    // tracking
    if flag "BetOn" is true
    begin
        call "Win-Loss"
    end
   
    copy last number to record "last number" layout
    track last Dozen for 2 spins to record "Last 2Doz" layout

    if record "last number" layout = number 0
    begin
        clear record "Last 2Doz" layout
    end
   
    if List [1st Dozen, 2nd Dozen] has a pattern match on record "Last 2Doz" layout
    or List [2nd Dozen, 1st Dozen] has a pattern match on record "Last 2Doz" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "Progression" data on 3rd Dozen
        set flag "BetOn" to true
    end

    if List [1st Dozen, 3rd Dozen] has a pattern match on record "Last 2Doz" layout
    or List [3rd Dozen, 1st Dozen] has a pattern match on record "Last 2Doz" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "Progression" data on 2nd Dozen
        set flag "BetOn" to true
    end

    if List [2nd Dozen, 3rd Dozen] has a pattern match on record "Last 2Doz" layout
    or List [3rd Dozen, 2nd Dozen] has a pattern match on record "Last 2Doz" layout
    begin
        put 100% of record "Progression" data on 1st Dozen
        set flag "BetOn" to true
    end
end
// =============================================

method "Win-Loss"
begin
    if flag "BetOn" is true
    begin
        set flag "BetOn" to false
        if any dozen bet has won each
        begin
            if record "Progression" data index > 3
            begin
                subtract 3 to record "Progression" data index
                exit
            end
            if record "Progression" data index < 4
            begin
                put 1 to record "Progression" data index
            end
        end
        else
        begin
            add 1 to record "Progression" data index
        end
    end
end


Wow Normy! that's some slick piece of coding u did there 
Nice to see that graph going up as well

[Normy2000]

U R Welcome 

[RouletteGhost]

normy did you follow the progression rules?

thanks

[Normy2000]

I think so; on a win, i go -3 on progression line, on a loss, +1

Note: No instructions for END of progression reached,
so right now, it stop betting if more than 9 units, but you can add more step if you wish (10,10,11,11,....).

br,