UDP - Unique Dozen Progression

[mogul397]

Mogul,
Denzie is the most enthusiastic advocate of double dozen parlays on this forum, and so it might be a good idea to do a search of his posts.

Or you can design one yourself. So, for instance, if you are playing double dozens at the 1-1
level and, let's say, you win two consecutive bets. You now have 2 units profit.

You can parlay those 2 units by adding them to 2 units of your bankroll and betting at the 2-2 level for the next (third) bet.

You kind of get the picture, I hope.

I did. And I do. It just seems a little counter intuitive.

You have to win 2 in a row to establish any one parlay bet. And
when you do, you are winning at a diminished rate, with he same risk.
You could almost do better flat.

[mogul397]

That's why I thought that the +1 +1 +1 and stay at 3 was rather clever
for the Double dozen.  Generally, you have a slant in your favor to have
twice the wins. So if you swallow a couple losses and get set up to
recoup with something that isn't a crazy progression then, like my
bow and arrow example,  you lost while drawing the bow and it has
more power when released.

Not a closed 1,3,9. But better waters to wade back. It's a little trick, like
that progression,  1,3,2,4 or however it goes, where it's like an up and pull.

[Willie]

playing FOR a unique 3 is actually very clever

firstly, its a 12 number bet, significantly better than a 24 number bet

secondly, bets are not placed every spin, limiting exposure

thirdly, having 11 losses in a row is extremely rare, believe me, i know, i tested grassroots extensively....in my charting, you almost always have some unique 3s in 12 spin cycles

fourthly, the unit lay out is not crazy....you go with your gambling money and thats it, no chasing

years of this game, years of testing, years of zumma play....i draw one conclusion....everything wins and loses...so just have fun

Exactly my thoughts RG
Plus I would say the progression gives us 18 levels and we can go slightly further as well if we want so we have even more cushion that 11 consecutive losses

[Willie]

How I'm starting to feel is the exact thing I think Willie said in the beginning.
You've seen this progression, and you've seen this selection. But not together.

I'm thinking mor in terms of

a) What Densie said about playing the opposite. The two dozens.  But
a little vague on how to bet. I think that 1 unit, 2 unit, 3 unit thing and
stay at 3 units might be appropriate.  or.

b) The old sit out strategy if you bet single dozens to avoid the long
losing streak. I like the idea of going up 1 unit and back 3 levels after
a win.

Either way, it seems like there is growing a connection of dissimilar things
between selection, and MM.

I honestly don't know how to parlay a double dozen though.  Anyone here
know?

Nice to see you to tinkering around with this mogul Just give my original method a go for some spins and share your results, would be interesting

[mogul397]

Went today to track betting against 4th dozen back.

Here are the results for this...

L L W L W L L W W L L L L L

So the statistics for this kind of bet always ring true.
Came out about 1-2.

It's the clump of losses that get in the way.

Conversly, for what I was trying I was getting the 1-2 result.
But occasionally I got a string of losses. My potential solution is to
maybe wait for a virtual win to start again. Yes, there are many
single losses. But  Several runs of 3 in a row losses.

[Willie]

Went today to track betting against 4th dozen back.

Here are the results for this...

L L W L W L L W W L L L L L

So the statistics for this kind of bet always ring true.
Came out about 1-2.

It's the clump of losses that get in the way.

Conversly, for what I was trying I was getting the 1-2 result.
But occasionally I got a string of losses. My potential solution is to
maybe wait for a virtual win to start again. Yes, there are many
single losses. But  Several runs of 3 in a row losses.

Betting on 4th dozen back?

[bleep24]

It does not matter whether you bet last dozen to show, two back, same dozen all the time, nothing will change.  Betting 1 dozen will win 1 out of three, betting two dozens will win 2 out of 3. End of story.
We all know that it is the longer losing runs that knacker progressions.  All systems/methods win until they don`t.   Luck plays a great part but unfortunately you cannot be lucky every time that you play.
All that we can hope for is to quit when we are ahead or win more sessions than we lose.

Should we be focusing our efforts on flat betting (inside numbers)?

Bleep24

[mogul397]

Betting on 4th dozen back?

I went to track against 4th dozen back. But those results are for
this method with that data.

Bleep is right. The outlay of the results will be the same. The notion of
maybe looking at inside numbers is also a variant.  You can expect a win
with the EC and dozens regularly. You get a 35-1 hit on a number and somehow
see multiple units and you're up $350 or more and thing you've made it.

I remember decades ago in Atlantic City, these women staring at a craps table.
$5-$10 min. I said something about it being one decision. She was taken aback.
She'd rather toss her nickles into a slot machine. Made more sense. I won't
go NEAR a slot machine. (Although my father in law used to work them to
make a couple dollars here and there).

So it's a mentality. Do you like the regular payout (similar to slots?) or do you want
the big payouts (that may be far between).

Densie made a comment in a post to me. I like the approach.

link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15367.15
reply # 18.

Is that enough tap dancing to wait for sequential rare events to
make a difference? Like he said once something about a huge win
streak that never ends?

That's all you need.

[mogul397]

So Densie is saying wait for 2-3 in a row and bet against.

Any better? Different?

[bleep24]

Hi,
From just observing,  2/3 in a chain will happen the vast majority of times and then change so betting for a change after this is a possibility but there will be a lot less opportunities.  You could use higher stakes to compensate.  Stop after 3 win or lose. Wait for new trigger.  This will stop the occasional long chain wiping out BR.   Use a double dozen gentle progression.

I have been testing betting same but on single dozens.  Using 1 1  2 2  3 3  4 4  5 5 etc.  This seems very promising and a gentle progression.  Up 1 on a loss - down 3 on a win.   Chains are coming out regularly (bit like NLE but that is a different story!!!) 

Brrrian.        (it`s chilly outside to-day)   

[mogul397]

I agree Bleep.  I will say that there are several angles around this that work.
And my ultimate thinking is to track all of them, taking advantage of each, say,
after a loss or two, depending on the setup.

Went to the casino quick today. Here are the results.

7  1  A
19  2  A
22  2  A
16  2  A
6  1  C
11  1  B
32  3  B
29  3  B
1  3  A
31  3  A
19  2  A
12  1  C
22  2  A
00
31  3  A
3  1  C
23  2  B
2  1  B
12  1  C
34  3  A
32  3  B
20  2  B
5  1  B
34  3  A
29  3  B
14  2  B
11  1  B
13  2  A

I focused on the 3 in a row and bet opposite. But I was
watchin the doubles. If you group them up, similar to NLE
(which I can't do) there were separate setups on dozens and
columbs. I played mostly columbs.

I won $20, betting for 3 not to be 4. (I missed that 4 A's
at the beginning).  So the blueprint is there. I didn't go all in, in
any way. Played close to the hip.  But it looks like the doubles hold up,
maybe with that +1 after a loss.  Certainly had some meat on the bone.

[bleep24]

Hi Mogul,

Nice to read your observations.   I agree and we should be looking for a few variations on theme around this to give more betting opps.  I am only home until tomorrow but I will give it a try.
I have just looked through 2 lots of Dublinbets posted on here and it holds up good, so fingers crossed etc. etc.

Bleep

[bleep24]

Hi Mogul,
In your 28 spins there was only 1 chain of 3 and 5 chains of 2 so looks like chains of 2 are the way to go. Obviously not 1 3 9 27 x2 prog. but I think that this shows great promise.
At least with this you are only betting 2 dozens and tracking prog. is easy!!!

Brian

[Willie]

It does not matter whether you bet last dozen to show, two back, same dozen all the time, nothing will change.  Betting 1 dozen will win 1 out of three, betting two dozens will win 2 out of 3. End of story.
We all know that it is the longer losing runs that knacker progressions.  All systems/methods win until they don`t.   Luck plays a great part but unfortunately you cannot be lucky every time that you play.
All that we can hope for is to quit when we are ahead or win more sessions than we lose.

Should we be focusing our efforts on flat betting (inside numbers)?

Bleep24

Bleep you are right that dozen betting will have the same chances no matter how you do it but here we are waiting and not betting every spin.
With continuous dozen betting the progression may get out of hand sooner than you think but not in this case.

[Willie]

Mogul, bleep- The going after doubles or triples whatever you are calling it seems a good way too but it's taking a different turn from the original thread, you can start a different topic for that and call it UDP spinoff if u want or something else