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[RouletteGhost]

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[mogul397]

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It's funny that you brought this up. I just was in PM with Nathan about this.
I have done several dry runs AGAIN as I have before, and I seldom come out
ahead. As a matter of fact, for a while I tried testing with the intent of playing
the 3rd, single dozen that it didn't select, and was doing pretty good for a while.

[RouletteGhost]

It's funny that you brought this up. I just was in PM with Nathan about this.
I have done several dry runs AGAIN as I have before, and I seldom come out
ahead. As a matter of fact, for a while I tried testing with the intent of playing
the 3rd, single dozen that it didn't select, and was doing pretty good for a while.

Im having good results with zumma

There will be losing sessions of course

Playing the single dozen with light progression could be good

Each L up top would be a win

Check the 5 DS tweak in the original thread

[mogul397]

Im having good results with zumma

There will be losing sessions of course

Playing the single dozen with light progression could be good

Each L up top would be a win

Check the 5 DS tweak in the original thread

I've gotten swings both ways. While I was testing, with my own data, I got a
KILLER string of "wins" that would have killed my single dozen attempt.

Nathan sent me a story about some guy who tried. Said he lost $300K in bacc  and
loves this. But I don't see how. It's arbitrary.  Just a nail in the ground to work
from that produces eventual similar results.

Saw your endorsement of the matrix. Had a problem with that too. Wish I hadn't.

[RouletteGhost]

Im not sure how washoo2 was thought up

But clever

I think it has potential

[Tamino]

What does any one think that those Baccarat posters  over at Bet Selections are geniuses. They are fumbling along and losing  their shirt  with   a flair  of arrogance, . Gr8player also lost $ 250,000 and is  still fumbling  along with his talk  about  variances.


The  one  there  who doing ok is Alrelax.  He knows what he is doing .

[mogul397]

What does any one think that those Baccarat posters  over at Bet Selections are geniuses. They are fumbling along and losing  their shirt  with   a flair  of arrogance, . Gr8player also lost $ 250,000 and is  still fumbling  along with his talk  about  variances.


The  one  there  who doing ok is Alrelax.  He knows what he is doing .

I will tell you an honest fact.  A fact that I have to approximate. I just turned 60,
and have been grinding various things on an off since I was 20 ish.

In all that time I never left losing more than $20-$30. Many trips I have made
(even recently) without a DIME in my pocket, just to watch and get date.
An exception to that was in the last 3 months or so when I tried actual play
of this 1,3,9 progression just to get it out of my system. Another was when
I went with my father in law and he gave me $40 and I lost it.

TOTAL in my life, I'm pretty sure my losses are in the low hundreds.  Like
$200?  $300? I don't know.

In 40 years....

But someone who loses all kinds of money (quantify it as you like) like $200-$300K
has an issue.

So that is the level of sport and play I have lived. Once in a while I give myself license to
do this or that. And I play it the way I say I will. Once in a while  I made a few random $5 bets.

[Tamino]

Don`t change now.  You are better off than the cats at the racinos playing video lottery terminals. Enjoy  the atmosphere  of a nice casino and have a few drinks .

[mogul397]

One quick story. About 30 years ago when I was at MIT, there was a kid who thought
he found the holy grail. And explained martingale to me.

He went to the casino to craps. He intentionally churned $1000 through the table
on pass bets. At the end he had lost $80. EXACTLY the house edge over a reasonable
set of betting.

I have this benchmark. My point is, that people who lose $300K at even chance games did so
by stupidity.  You could win $300K by the same stupidity. Which has been my age old question.

I KNOW how the HE works. I also know that I will make it to the top of a mount of sand by
climbing faster than the sand gives out.

There is something intrinsic in our mentality to gambling. We SHOULD be able to take
the casino home. But no. We chase losses.  If we only could put on the casino's hat, the
casino would lose this $300K to us. But other mentality prevails, and we manufacture
huge losses.

[Tamino]

If the gentleman who had lost # 300 K at  Baccarat  ( EC) had he applied the powerful up and pull MM method  he would be smiling today



Do your home  work.

[mogul397]

If the gentleman who had lost # 300 K at  Baccarat  ( EC) had he applied the powerful up and pull MM method  he would be smiling today



Do your home  work.

I keep tryin', but you won't splain how when I test WASH002 and I lose, that I should have won.

The problem I see with up and pull is two fold.

1) It looks easier on paper than in reality.
2) The higher bets that you get, win, and pull back from don't account
for the high bets that you lose. Which are the higher amounts.

[mogul397]

Something that I've been noticing lately is that when I make selections,
more often than not, I seem to get on a losing track.

It should be self evident. It isn't. But obviously the selection method is wrong
or bad. I think it's part of the fundamental problem with losing. I just don't see
what the other side it yet.

[Tamino]

Losing is no problem  for  the casinos



Benny Binion once said " we are only satisfied when the last check of a  player to us bounces".

[mogul397]

In all honesty that's the story of life.

People are less kind as you get older. (Meaning not young).

Two axioms of $$ for me are  1) It hurts a lot more to lose
$10 than it feels good to win $10.  (poor ROI)

And

2)  $5 is an AWFUL LOT OF MONEY, when you don't have it.
(Seems like nothing when you have a pocket of cash, but just
run out and need something)

[Tamino]

The up and pull method  is being applied by some sharp professional gamblers in particular by John Patrick in all of hid books on gambling .

ND