Something that shows promise

[Joma]

RG,

start at 1 unit...loss...
2units...loss...
3units...loss...
4units...win...
4units...loss...
5units...win...
5units...loss...
6units...win...
6units...win...
6units...win...etc

I stay at the current level until I get back to the high balance I had when I lost at 1unit.

It is more aggressive than a +1/-1

[RouletteGhost]

Rich,
I have never really tested the Hermes leveller with real money bets. Have you had any positive experience with it?

Never played it

Tested briefly on paper some time ago

Never had a bad thing to say about it

Its not a steep dangerous martingale

Maybe works with a solid bet selection

No matter how strong the bet selection, there is negative variance

I had a 6 Quad method that went days on end, autobet celtic live wheel. Won big flat bet. Then lost. If i had a a way to fight the variance....

Many times i thought i had a method that could not lose with a 1 3 9. Then the variance comes

If i learned anything from ND, when lose 30 percent starting BR stop session and start new session at another wheel or in a half hour

Posting the truth to MrJ in the "unmoderated" section has got me on moderated status. Good i guess. Im really not that interested in posting on forums anymore

[Joma]

*Testing Update*

441 Consecutive Random Spins

+509 Units
1u=$1

....Testing Continues....

[RouletteGhost]

Nice

Not saying it works long term, or that it doesnt

But perhaps this particular progression, helps combat the double dozen bet variance

Perhaps can be applied to any 2 doz bet

Not beating the HE but maybe fighting that variance

[DoctorSudoku]

If i had a a way to fight the variance....

Many times i thought i had a method that could not lose with a 1 3 9. Then the variance comes

Rich,
I can tell you from my own extensive empirical experience with double dozen (and other similar-sized bets)  that you will never come out ahead -- on a consistent basis -- with a 1 3 9 progression.

I state the above with great confidence -- thanks.

[RouletteGhost]

Rich,
I can tell you from my own extensive empirical experience with double dozen (and other similar-sized bets)  that you will never come out ahead -- on a consistent basis -- with a 1 3 9 progression.

I state the above with great confidence -- thanks.

And i agree

Certain bet selections can survive 1 3 9 for awhile

But the variance comes. Wiping you out

1 3 9 is not sufficient to fight the variance

The OP hermes leveller type MIGHT help

Looking forward to his future results

Almost 500 spins and hes doing well

[The General]

Variance is just variance.  Luck is luck.  You can't  fight it.    Double dozen betting, while splitting the zeros is just plain goofy.  You're not going to win over time.  Anyone that says otherwise is either lying, or doesn't play for very many spins.

[RouletteGhost]

Where was splitting zeros mentioned?

[Joma]

So General...how many spins will I have to be in profit at in order for you to jump on board?

[nottophammer]

Hello All!

I have been lurking around this form for the past couple of years soaking up ideas.  You guys are certainly creative I will say that.  Some really great concepts flying around here.  I am looking to have something tested over 10,000 spins if that is possible.  I am in the process of testing based off of the WizardOfOdds 1 million spins.  Ok here it goes.

Bet Selection:  Static Bet

(6) Quad or Corner Bets

2,3,5,6
7,8,10,11
14,15,17,18
19,20,22,23
26,27,29,30
32,33,35,36

1 unit on each of those locations.  If I win I stay at 1 unit.  If I lose at 1 unit, I increase each bet 1 unit. 

spin1...loss
spin2...2 units on each...loss
spin 3...3 units on each....win?

I keep it at 3 until I get back to my last high bankroll level.

Each loss I increase by 1 unit.

It is early on but through 202 spins I am +262 units. 

The base  bet is 6 units to profit 3...or a 2to1 bet.



Any testing help would be greatly appreciated.  Let's keep pushing.

Joe

What about +1/P P-1
L,     L,     L,    W,    W,   W,   W,   W,   W,
+1, +1,   +1,   P,      P,    -1,    P,     P,    -1

[BellagioOwner]

I am looking to have something tested over 10,000 spins if that is possible.

It is early on but through 202 spins I am +262 units.

441 Consecutive Random Spins

So General...how many spins will I have to be in profit at in order for you to jump on board?

General is not interested not because it has small sample but because he prefers a different approach not on negative, (more aggressive than +1/-1)progressions.

Back in topic Testing... For sure more than 10,000 spins if you want it properly tested. I would say a million or 2 for minimum. Even a simpe martingale can come up positive after a lucky 10,000 spins run. I understand that you can't run manually millions of spins for the system but try to make some thousands like 4,000-5,000. This can be done easily within 2-3 days. If the results are still promising I believe some of the people here that know how to code will be interested in helping out in long run basis.

I still have 24 chances to win...and 14 chances to lose.

24+14=38=American Roulette. If you want to have any chances in having a good system to survive don't try it on 00 roulette. It's impossible. You can try the thousands and millions of spins in European Roulette though. You can get numbers from random. org

Playing in American even if there was a fool proof system only lowers your winnings and increases your risk without any good for the player.
Feel free to test it but DO prefer European or even better NoZero Roulette.

I once had a promising system tested on European Roulette. It tanked after almost 150,000 spins. Having the same system tested on NZ Roulette it stayed and still stays positive by some thousands units after 4M+ spins.
NZ > European > American 

What about +1/P P-1
L,     L,     L,    W,    W,   W,   W,   W,   W,
+1, +1,   +1,   P,      P,    -1,    P,     P,    -1

What does P stands for notto? What changes you recommend? I don't get it

[RouletteGhost]

General is not interested not because it has small sample but because he prefers a different approach

Yup

And the sooner he realizes people use or enjoy other approaches he will be wasting his entire life on these forums

[RouletteGhost]

As someone who has developed 6 quad strategies (american quads) i know there are spells of extremely successful periods. I went two nights on autobet for 8 hours each, flat betting and won big

Then after variance it tanks inevitably

If OP continues to have luck i will test that particular progression with my 6 quads (with the expectation it will lose but i will try)

His progression is not steep, and with a low denomination not much risk

Some airball machines are $3 minimum, you can play with .25 cents

Low risk for perhaps some fun and a few win streaks

[nottophammer]

What does P stands for notto? What changes you recommend? I don't get it

P= like Denzie, parley,on a win rebet same unit,if win, down 1unit,if win,parley same unit,if win down 1 unit,if win, parley,with hope of getting back to single unit or the last high

[BellagioOwner]

His progression is not steep

I didn't say steep. Said more aggressive (I guess steeper than normal +1/-1). Steep I would call Grand Martingale or +1u after every bet in straight up bets

Still point is that it needs more manual testing at least few thousand and then probably coded to millions and better be on Euro or NZ