The First Repeat Challenge

[falkor2k15]

Let's say you've got 37 numbers... we expect the first repeat to come around spin 7.

Just playing exclusively for the first repeat and then retracking, could you consistently hit it and always end up with a profit after 100 attempts?

S1: 32, 21, 23, 6, 6 = first repeat (retrack!)
S2: 1, 35, 18, 24, 5, 13, 37, 28, 3, 19, 31, 22, 1 = first repeat (retrack!)
S3: 27, 15, 36, 0, 1, 14, 26, 0 = first repeat (retrack!)
...
S100

You have a number of ways to play each sequence:
*You could wait till spin 7-8 and then play all single appearers for a few spins. If unsuccessful you may choose to wait out the first repeat for that sequence with the danger risking too much capital should the first repeat come late.
*You could start covering all single appearers as they first appear till a repeat occurs. Again, you might decide to give up after, say, spin 10 if the repeat hadn't come by then before proceeding to the next sequence to attempt an "optimised for long term profit" win once again.
*You could choose to bet only the oldest or newest appearers.
*You could play ONLY spin 7 every sequence (1 bet per sequence on all single appearers) as that is the peak of the repeat curve for numbers.

Are any of the above options sufficient to finish on a high at the end of this challenge? What other first repeat stats/techniques/strategies might you bring to the table that would guarantee you be would in profit once its all over?

With numbers the maximum that the first repeat can occur is around spin 24-25, but this isn't set in stone; how about if you played sequences of dozens or dozen cycles instead of numbers? Here the max spin or cycle for the first repeat has a defined limit:
S1: DZ1, DZ1 = first repeat (retrack!)
S2: DZ1, DZ2, DZ2 = first repeat (retrack!)
S3: DZ2, DZ1, DZ3, DZ1 = first repeat (retrack!)

S1: CL1, CL1 = first repeat (carry over last cycle!)
S2: CL1, CL2, CL2 = first repeat (carry over last cycle!)
S3: CL2, CL1, CL3, CL1 = first repeat (carry over last cycle!)

The first repeat must occur by spin 4 or cycle 4. Could you end up on top after 100 sequences for any of the above? How would you make sure you achieved success?

[falkor2k15]

Here's 100 sequences based on Dozens... does this help?

Spin 1	Spin 2	Spin 3	Spin 4	Cycle Length	Order	Extended via	Defined by
2	2			CL1	o1	e1	d2
2	3	3		CL2	o2	e2	d3
3	1	1		CL2	o2	e2	d1
1	2	1		CL2	o1	e2	d1
1	2	1		CL2	o1	e2	d1
1	1			CL1	o1	e1	d1
1	1			CL1	o1	e1	d1
1	1			CL1	o1	e1	d1
1	3	2	3	CL3	o2	e3	d3
3	1	1		CL2	o2	e2	d1
1	2	2		CL2	o2	e2	d2
2	2			CL1	o1	e1	d2
2	2			CL1	o1	e1	d2
2	1	3	2	CL3	o1	e3	d2
2	3	2		CL2	o1	e2	d2
2	2			CL1	o1	e1	d2
2	2			CL1	o1	e1	d2
2	3	1	3	CL3	o2	e2	d3
3	1	1		CL2	o2	e2	d1
1	2	3	2	CL3	o2	e2	d2
2	1	2		CL2	o1	e3	d2
2	1	3	2	CL3	o1	e3	d2
2	2			CL1	o1	e1	d2
2	3	1	3	CL3	o2	e2	d3
3	3			CL1	o1	e1	d3
3	3			CL1	o1	e1	d3
3	1	1		CL2	o2	e2	d1
1	1			CL1	o1	e1	d1
1	2	3	1	CL3	o1	e2	d1
1	3	1		CL2	o1	e3	d1
1	1			CL1	o1	e1	d1
1	2	2		CL2	o2	e2	d2
2	1	2		CL2	o1	e3	d2
2	1	1		CL2	o2	e3	d1
1	3	1		CL2	o1	e3	d1
1	1			CL1	o1	e1	d1
1	2	3	3	CL3	o3	e2	d3
3	3			CL1	o1	e1	d3
3	2	3		CL2	o1	e3	d3
3	2	1	1	CL3	o3	e3	d1
1	3	2	3	CL3	o2	e3	d3
3	2	1	1	CL3	o3	e3	d1
1	1			CL1	o1	e1	d1
1	1			CL1	o1	e1	d1
1	2	3	1	CL3	o1	e2	d1
1	2	2		CL2	o2	e2	d2
2	1	3	1	CL3	o2	e3	d1
1	3	3		CL2	o2	e3	d3
3	1	3		CL2	o1	e2	d3
3	2	1	3	CL3	o1	e3	d3
3	3			CL1	o1	e1	d3
3	1	2	1	CL3	o2	e2	d1
1	2	2		CL2	o2	e2	d2
2	3	1	2	CL3	o1	e2	d2
2	1	3	2	CL3	o1	e3	d2
2	2			CL1	o1	e1	d2
2	1	2		CL2	o1	e3	d2
2	3	3		CL2	o2	e2	d3
3	2	3		CL2	o1	e3	d3
3	1	3		CL2	o1	e2	d3
3	2	3		CL2	o1	e3	d3
3	2	2		CL2	o2	e3	d2
2	2			CL1	o1	e1	d2
2	3	3		CL2	o2	e2	d3
3	1	2	2	CL3	o3	e2	d2
2	2			CL1	o1	e1	d2
2	2			CL1	o1	e1	d2
2	2			CL1	o1	e1	d2
2	1	2		CL2	o1	e3	d2
2	1	3	2	CL3	o1	e3	d2
2	1	3	1	CL3	o2	e3	d1
1	3	1		CL2	o1	e3	d1
1	1			CL1	o1	e1	d1
1	2	3	1	CL3	o1	e2	d1
1	2	2		CL2	o2	e2	d2
2	2			CL1	o1	e1	d2
2	3	2		CL2	o1	e2	d2
2	3	2		CL2	o1	e2	d2
2	1	3	3	CL3	o3	e3	d3
3	3			CL1	o1	e1	d3
3	2	2		CL2	o2	e3	d2
2	3	2		CL2	o1	e2	d2
2	1	1		CL2	o2	e3	d1
1	2	1		CL2	o1	e2	d1
1	3	3		CL2	o2	e3	d3
3	1	2	1	CL3	o2	e2	d1
1	3	2	3	CL3	o2	e3	d3
3	2	3		CL2	o1	e3	d3
3	2	2		CL2	o2	e3	d2
2	2			CL1	o1	e1	d2
2	1	1		CL2	o2	e3	d1
1	1			CL1	o1	e1	d1
1	3	3		CL2	o2	e3	d3
3	2	3		CL2	o1	e3	d3
3	1	2	1	CL3	o2	e2	d1
1	2	1		CL2	o1	e2	d1
1	2	2		CL2	o2	e2	d2
2	3	2		CL2	o1	e2	d2
2	3	2		CL2	o1	e2	d2
2	2			CL1	o1	e1	d2

[tuddilue]

Its always tricky to play the repeaters. One post that sticks out is the LuckoftheIrish stats for the repeaters:
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9740.0

There you see when the repeaters come. Using it for Dozen and columns is an interesting idea, why not?

For me I usually plays the WTF. But I also plays the last dot of your suggestions. Bet every spin that comes until a repeat happens. Works. But if it doesn't work I just goes for WTF.
-Tuddilue

[nottophammer]

Heres 300  games of 1st 10 spins.

10/10, 73
09/10, 133
08/10, 76
07/10, 18
06/10, not happened in 300 games, but will one day.

[falkor2k15]

Its always tricky to play the repeaters. One post that sticks out is the LuckoftheIrish stats for the repeaters:
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9740.0

There you see when the repeaters come. Using it for Dozen and columns is an interesting idea, why not?

For me I usually plays the WTF. But I also plays the last dot of your suggestions. Bet every spin that comes until a repeat happens. Works. But if it doesn't work I just goes for WTF.
-Tuddilue

Irish shows us that spin 7 is the peak for numbers.
Spin 3 is the peak for Dozens (CL2).

How can those stats help us form a winning strategy - or do they not help?

How does WTF dictate playing for the first repeat?

[falkor2k15]

Heres 300  games of 1st 10 spins.

10/10, 73
09/10, 133
08/10, 76
07/10, 18
06/10, not happened in 300 games, but will one day.

For numbers then would you only play the first 10 spins or spins 7-10? So is that all your strategy would consist of: targeting spin 9 and possibly its neighbours?

[nottophammer]

For numbers then would you only play the first 10 spins or spins 7-10? So is that all your strategy would consist of: targeting spin 9 and possibly its neighbours?

At the moment i'm fishing for singles 1-9, so my head is fall of avg and max.
But  did Vaddi not say the magic # is 8, so if you was to play spins 1-8 you'd only be 36 units down. So how do you play next two spins? Would you not win 75% of the 300 games using the 10 spins

[nottophammer]

A quick reply.
Today Jackpot 247, got 9/10, but the repeat was spin 10. I'll comeback sometime

[falkor2k15]

36 units down at the end of 100 sets/sequences would be considered a failure. Would a 75% win rate guarantee a profit at the conclusion taking into account all the lost bets placed on the 1s in the process of trying to hit that first repeat?

So how do you play next two spins?

Would this be for the 2nd repeat or if the first repeat hadn't yet come at it's expected average?

[nottophammer]

Avg doc now 319 games.
Heres the last 19 days spins 1-10
10
7
8
10
9
9
10
9
10
9
10
8
9
9
8
9
7
9
9
if tomorrows game is not 10/10, then the 20 games would be 75/25 % good strike rate.

Now i'm off fishing

[tuddilue]

Irish shows us that spin 7 is the peak for numbers.
Spin 3 is the peak for Dozens (CL2).

How can those stats help us form a winning strategy - or do they not help?

How does WTF dictate playing for the first repeat?

I think they help, there exist a lot of strategies around these statistics.
I found one that is similar to yours:
Warriors Illuminati
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9867.0
Interesting reading and maybe you can get some tips from that?

Your question around WTF to dictate the first repeat. It doesn't have anything for that one. The repeaters that WTF plays for comes later in the trot.
- Tuddilue

[falkor2k15]

Cheers for the link - but it seems warrior tracked for multiple repeats first.

Any other strategies/links come to mind?

Your question around WTF to dictate the first repeat. It doesn't have anything for that one. The repeaters that WTF plays for comes later in the trot.

It seems most strategies are based on predictability further into the trot, but if we can't even win consistently on the first repeat, should we even bother trying for the 2nd or 3rd repeat? Or do we need at least 1 repeat (or a lengthy sequence) to start making more informed guesses as to the 2nd repeat+ and only then should we enter the game?

How about if we played all 100 games in a row: can we use the results of the previous games to help us predict the first repeat of the next proceeding sequence/game?

Seq 1
...
Seq 8: Number repeats on spin 20
Seq 9: Are we now in a better position to guess the repeat based on previous sequence(s)?

[tuddilue]

Cheers for the link - but it seems warrior tracked for multiple repeats first.

Any other strategies/links come to mind?
It seems most strategies are based on predictability further into the trot, but if we can't even win consistently on the first repeat, should we even bother trying for the 2nd or 3rd repeat? Or do we need at least 1 repeat (or a lengthy sequence) to start making more informed guesses as to the 2nd repeat+ and only then should we enter the game?

How about if we played all 100 games in a row: can we use the results of the previous games to help us predict the first repeat of the next proceeding sequence/game?

Seq 1
...
Seq 8: Number repeats on spin 20
Seq 9: Are we now in a better position to guess the repeat based on previous sequence(s)?

No problem.
Yes, one that comes to my mind is magnificent seven, also a good old one, there exist a lot on the forum 
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=10332.0

Yes later in the trot. WTF is one of those systems. To play WTF the trick is the starting point. Sounds easy but is harder than you thinks...

Yes you can use the statistics of 100 plays. But you never now if those 100 games will arise the same in the next 100 games.
So as a reference yes but play after no.
- Tuddilue