NLE mk2

[Tekunda]

Thanks Brian, I got it.
In my next post I will paste the Genesis model of playing the triggers. It differs a bit from the way you play. Maybe we will be able to incorporate some of the Genesis ideas, so we sort of would hopefully get the best of the two worlds.

[SamNL]

Hey Brian,

Just tried it out for a test on Fairway.
Made some mistakes along the way but ended +5 in the end with Fun chips.

I like it. It's easy to track and easy to bet.

Will keep on testing it.

[bleep24]

Hi SamNL,

Fun chips are not real money and playing for fun is not real roulette and you will get different results to playing for real.   Learn NLE properly.
The good news is that it is a very sound way of playing.

Only play `live` dealer on-line or B & M casinos.   Only play RNG at your own peril.   It will draw you in then bite your hand off.  I know.

Good luck.
Brian   

[Tekunda]

Below follows the Genesis system. It differs from the NLE in such that it includes alternating series like red-black-red-black etc. and the way it handles long series.
The best would be to read through the system and see if including a few ideas mentioned here would improve on the NLE or not.


The Genesis System

To commence play, we first wait for either 3 repeating colours or 3 alternating colours - so we wait for RED/RED/RED or BLACK/BLACK/BLACK or RED/BLACK/RED/BLACK or BLACK/RED/BLACK/RED. As soon as one of these sequences occurs which could happen as soon as you sit down or could mean a 20 minute wait, our first betting series commences on the next spin. We bet on whatever the sequence is doing, so if 3 REDS have come up, we bet on RED - if a sequence of BLACK/RED/BLACK/RED has happened, then our first bet is on BLACK because the colours are alternating. The aim is win 1 chip (or if we don't win 1 chip, then to break-even) on each betting series. So our first bet is 1 chip. If this bet wins, we have made our target of 1 chip profit and that betting series is complete. A new series of betting starts on the very next spin, 1 chip again and following whatever the current results are doing - so if the colours are alternating and our last win came on BLACK, then the first bet of this new series is a 1 chip bet on RED. Should this bet lose, the betting series is not yet over because we haven't made at least 1 chip profit or brokeneven, but we do stop betting and wait until the next run of either 3 repeats or 3 alternates occurs. When this happens, we commence betting again on the next spin following whatever the colours are doing and we increase our bet to 2 chips. If this bet wins we make a 2 chip profit less the 1 chip loss from the previous bet to give an overall 1 chip profit, thereby completing another betting series. Had this 2 chip bet lost, the current betting series running total goes to -3 chips. Because we have just had a losing bet due to the colour sequence changing, again we stop betting and wait for another 3 repeats or alternates before placing a 3 chip bet on the next spin. Should this bet win we have recovered the running total of -3 and broken-even on the series, so the betting series stops. We accept that we haven't made a profit on that particular series and start a new one on the very next spin starting again with a 1 chip bet. Should the 3 chip bet lose taking the running total to -6, again stop betting, wait for another 3 repeats or alternates and place a 4 chip bet on the next spin (keep in mind that we NEVER increase the bet by more than 1 chip at a time - don't be tempted to Double-Up and try to recover losses and make a profit in one spin. Yes, many times it will come off, but it only takes one time for it not to and you will be in deep trouble). Once we have gone past the 3 chip bet without making a profit, we accept that we are not going to make a profit on this series and the aim becomes just to get the series to break-even and then to start a new one. If the 4 chip bet wins, the running total for the current betting series goes to -2. After a win, if the bet was 2 chips or more, then usually we reduce the bet by 1 chip for the next spin. However, as the 4 chip bet has won and the current deficit is -2, because we looking to break-even now, the bet for the next spin is 2 chips which provided it wins gives a break-even sequence. If this 2 chip bet had lost, going to -4, a waiting period would occur until 3 repeats or alternates again and then the next bet would be 3 chips (remember we always increase the bet by 1 chip after a loser - NEVER MORE). A 3 chip win would take the series back to -1 so a 1 chip winning bet on the next spin would give the break-even target we are looking for. This explanation of how to work the system may look complicated but it is very simple in practice and by looking at the workings of the 100 spin sessions and the explanations that follow you will soon master it. When you are playing for real, you will need to keep a record of your bets as you go along - the Casinos provide pens and cards for you to do so. Summary of the important points of the GENESIS SYSTEM:-If you are going to play with £5 chips, sit at the table with a minimum betting bank of £200 - 40 times whatever your 1 chip bet is going to be. Wait until a run of 3 repeating colours or 3 alternating colours before betting.Aim to make a 1 chip profit on each betting series or to break-even if the series goes beyond the 3 chip bet without making a profit. First bet is 1 chip, increasing by 1 after each loss, decreasing by 1 or more after each winning bet. Don't move from one table to another whilst in the middle of a betting series - only move once a series has been completed - if you move half way through a series because it is starting to go wrong - Murphys' Law will ensure that a winning run will start the moment you leave the table! HOW TO HANDLE THE "0" or "00" ====================American Roulette wheels have a 0 and a 00. European wheels have just a single 0. When a 0 or 00 is spun, obviously it is a losing bet for us if we have been betting on that spin. Also, if we are in a waiting period, it is also a loser and breaks whatever the sequence of colours is doing. A 0 or 00 stops everything and from the following spin onwards we again wait for 3 repeats or alternates before betting again. So say the sequence goes RED/RED/RED/0/RED, the 0 is a losing bet and we stop betting until 3 repeats or alternates occur again. A sequence of BLACK/RED/BLACK/RED/0/BLACK/RED /BLACK would mean we were betting on BLACK when the 0 came up as the three previous spins had alternated. The next 3 spins after the 0 alternated BLACK/RED/BLACK.This is just two alternates - BLACK to RED then RED to BLACK. If the next spin was a RED, then this would give the required 3 alternates and we would resume betting on the next spin. In the USA the 0 and the 00 and in most European countries, the single 0 clears the whole table, apart from any bets on 0 or 00 themselves. On British tables we have a slight advantage in that as well as there being only a single 0, whenever it comes up, any bet on the Even Money Chances is halved - ie. you get back half of your bet. So, if you are playing on a British table and you have had a bet when a 0 comes up, record as a complete losing bet but treat the returned half stake as a bonus. Play can be extremely slow if the table is busy, but in many cases, once you have the experience of working the GENESIS system you may find you can sit between two tables that are close together and work 2 tables at once bearing in mind that much of the time you will only be betting on one table while a waiting period is happening on the other. If you do run two tables at once, use a separate betting bank for each and obviously keep a separate set of records for each one. Although the instructions for working the system are to use RED + BLACK, it will work just as effectively using either ODD + EVEN or (1 - 18) + (19 - 36). You could work the system using 3 separate banks at the same table, but to do it you will need plenty of room to get your bets on easily and to be quick and accurate in keeping your records after each spin. Don't attempt this until you have plenty of experience working just one Bank at a time! Don't be disheartened when you have a losing session - IT WILL HAPPEN. You cannot expect to win every time but if you stick to the system rules, over several sessions you will come out on top. If you have been playing with £5 chips successfully and you are thinking of increasing your minimum stake, it is best to do so only after you have had several winning sessions and you are playing with the Casinos' money . Ideally finish each session with a completed betting series.

[SamNL]

Hi SamNL,

Fun chips are not real money and playing for fun is not real roulette and you will get different results to playing for real.   Learn NLE properly.
The good news is that it is a very sound way of playing.

Only play `live` dealer on-line or B & M casinos.   Only play RNG at your own peril.   It will draw you in then bite your hand off.  I know.

Good luck.
Brian

Hi Brian,

On Fairway you can use a Real wheel with a live dealer on exactly the same table as you would use with real money.
The spins are exactly the same for both real and fun money players.
No RNG involved in any of my testing.

I've been using Fairway for a long time to do real testing to see if a method has any merit to it.

[nottophammer]

I've been using Fairway for a long time to do real testing to see if a method has any merit to it.

Whats the time for a spin, something stupid like 30 seconds

[bleep24]

Hi Tekunda,

Thanks for posting Genesis System.  Your hands must be aching.

Yes it is very similar to NLE.  I only play on-line and you have less than 30 seconds to work your bet and place it.  Speedy Gonzales is a slow coach by comparison.     

If you are in a B & M could you play as a team (2 players) opposing bets.  Only a thought.

The way that I play NLE utilising all EC`s and playing 2 same to become 3 can be pretty hectic which is why I now prefer 3 same becoming 4. I also like +1/-1 progression which NLE lends itself to.

If you are intending to try out Genesis post your results here please.  What progression, if any, are you going to use?

Good luck,         Brian

[bleep24]

Hi SamNL,

I did not know that.  It sounds like you can test honestly.  Great.

Brian

[SamNL]

Whats the time for a spin, something stupid like 30 seconds

It is 30 seconds

[nottophammer]

Thanks

[SamNL]

Just did another test.

Another +5.
Quick start but after that a slow grind to +5.

[bigmoney]

So was the two to become three profitable ?

[mogul397]

It is 30 seconds

1 minute.

[bleep24]

Hi Tekunda,
re: Genesis system.

I have read your post several times and think that this has great merit and is very soundly based.  We all know that streaks and chops happen all the time. We all know that RFH`s are what stuff`s us, but I cannot see that happening with this plus my experience with NLE sort of confirms it.

Well obviously there is only one way to test this (well, two really - one for all members to test it + Mogul) 
I gave it a 120 spin `live` dealer run and it did come out in front.  Worst losing run was 4, but it did recover.
It was slow going but once you are up to speed on this I can well imagine you will be able to track quite a few sequences/series at same time and make it well worthwhile (and low risk)

I will deffo be playing this more. We all like low risk and no open ended progressions.

Your`e explanation of Genesis is first class and whilst it is obvious: do not run before you can walk, and play using casino`s money, this is sound advice that `us` experts seem to forget, and it is good to be reminded. (though `us`experts will probably ignore it thinking we know better)        Go back to the invention of the wheel.

Cheers and good luck Tekunda,
Brian

   

[tuddilue]

Hi Tekunda,
re: Genesis system.

I have read your post several times and think that this has great merit and is very soundly based.  We all know that streaks and chops happen all the time. We all know that RFH`s are what stuff`s us, but I cannot see that happening with this plus my experience with NLE sort of confirms it.

Well obviously there is only one way to test this (well, two really - one for all members to test it + Mogul) 
I gave it a 120 spin `live` dealer run and it did come out in front.  Worst losing run was 4, but it did recover.
It was slow going but once you are up to speed on this I can well imagine you will be able to track quite a few sequences/series at same time and make it well worthwhile (and low risk)

I will deffo be playing this more. We all like low risk and no open ended progressions.

Your`e explanation of Genesis is first class and whilst it is obvious: do not run before you can walk, and play using casino`s money, this is sound advice that `us` experts seem to forget, and it is good to be reminded. (though `us`experts will probably ignore it thinking we know better)        Go back to the invention of the wheel.

Cheers and good luck Tekunda,
Brian

   

Little interested in you test of the Genesis. Did you test it with only RED/BLACK or did you run with all the even chances?

I think the chop part develops the NLE mk2. The progression is similar to +1/-1 but the change is that you only aiming for break even.
What do you think about the bankroll? The same as NLE or?

- Tuddilue