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[tuddilue]

if you are bad chef no matter what you cook will come shite

Ok and what has that statement todo with this method?
- Tuddilue

[winkel]

Will the suppliers for the bookies be watching this topic, so they can make their algorithm beat Winkels idea

NO! They can´t. As long as LOTT or ChiSquare is on duty, there must be hits.
Longest nonhit-sequence ist 7 to 8 spins. (If there are no sectors overlapping 7 times plus 2 single #s)
But then you have covered the whole wheel.
1st spin
2nd spin bet 5
3rd spin bet 10 tot. 15
4th spin bet 15 tot. 30
5th spin bet 20 tot. 50
6th spin bet 25 tot. 75
7th spin bet 30 tot. 105
8tn spin bet 35 tot. 140

find your stoploss-point!
I recommend after 6th spin.
Instead of betting spin 7 and 8 with biggest wins 6 or 1, you can better restart and bet 5 other spins with higher winrate from 31 to 11 chips.

If you have found a RNG which is cheating, you can bet both ways: wheel-neighbours and mat-neighbours. The RNG can't find a way to make you lose. You will have covered many #s double. (Each hit number for sure)

[tuddilue]

NO! They can´t. As long as LOTT or ChiSquare is on duty, there must be hits.
Longest nonhit-sequence ist 7 to 8 spins. (If there are no sectors overlapping 7 times plus 2 single #s)
But then you have covered the whole wheel.
1st spin
2nd spin bet 5
3rd spin bet 10 tot. 15
4th spin bet 15 tot. 30
5th spin bet 20 tot. 50
6th spin bet 25 tot. 75
7th spin bet 30 tot. 105
8tn spin bet 35 tot. 140

find your stoploss-point!
I recommend after 6th spin.
Instead of betting spin 7 and 8 with biggest wins 6 or 1, you can better restart and bet 5 other spins with higher winrate from 31 to 11 chips.

If you have found a RNG which is cheating, you can bet both ways: wheel-neighbours and mat-neighbours. The RNG can't find a way to make you lose. You will have covered many #s double. (Each hit number for sure)

Thanks winkel!
Is it possible to ask for a small example?  I think you can use today's Dublinbets, so we all understands it correctly..
- Tuddilue

[winkel]

10
bet wheel 24 5 10 23 8 bet mat 8 9 10 11 12
31 (-10)
bet wheel 24 5 10 23 8; 22 9 31 14 20 bet mat 8 9 10 11 12; 29 30 31 32 33
27 (-30)
bet wheel 24 5 10 23 8; 22 9 31 14 20;34 6 27 13 36 bet mat 8 9 10 11 12; 29 30 31 32 33; 25 26 27 28 29
14 (-60) (+36)
bet wheel 24 5 10 23 8; 22 9 31 14 20;34 6 27 13 36; 9 31 14 20 1
bet mat 8 9 10 11 12; 29 30 31 32 33; 25 26 27 28 29; 12 13 14 15 16
34 (-10) (+72)
bet wheel 24 5 10 23 8; 22 9 31 14 20;34 6 27 13 36; 9 31 14 20 1; 25 17 34 6 27
bet mat 8 9 10 11 12; 29 30 31 32 33; 25 26 27 28 29; 12 13 14 15 16; 32 33 34 35 36
32 (-150) (+144)
bad run tot. -6 restart

bet wheel 26 0 32 15 19 bet mat 30 31 32 33 34
1 (-10)
bet wheel 26 0 32 15 19; 14 20 1 33 16 bet mat 30 31 32 33 34; 36 0 1 2 3
6 (-30)
bet wheel 26 0 32 15 19; 14 20 1 33 16; 17 34 6 27 13
bet mat 30 31 32 33 34; 36 0 1 2 3; 4 5 6 7 8
32 (-60) (+72) +12-6 + 6 restart

bet wheel 26 0 32 15 19;
bet mat 30 31 32 33 34;
14 (-10)
bet wheel 26 0 32 15 19; 9 31 14 20 1;
bet mat 30 31 32 33 34; 12 13 14 15 16
31 (-30) (+72) restart

and so on

[tuddilue]

I have 3 questions for you:

1. I do not understand how you recovers?
I will try to explain.

If we take your first 6 spins and bets on just the wheel numbers then:

2nd spin bet 5
3rd spin bet 10 tot. 15
4th spin bet 15 tot. 30
5th spin bet 20 tot. 50
6th spin bet 25 tot. 75

So after 6th spin we are down 75 so how do we recovers from that?

Even when you hit on the 6th spin you are down 75-36=39 units.

If you bet on the wheel-neighbours and mat-neighbours then you must hit the sectors that has more than one unit on them to recover.

2. Is it possible to narrow the bets?
I mean wait for the 4th spin and only bet if the 2nd and 3nd has not hit. For example:

2nd spin bet 5 - No bet
3rd spin bet 10 tot. 0 - No bet
4th spin bet 15 tot. 15 - Start bet
5th spin bet 20 tot. 35 - Second bet
6th spin bet 25 tot. 60 - Third bet

On the third bet we can increase the bet size to win some units.

3. Has you tested some progression to recap?
Or are you hoping the increased units in the sectors will hit so we are in plus?

- Tuddilue

[winkel]

Hi Tuddilue,

You know that the first repeater shows at spin 7 to 10. (statisticly)
If you bet both wheel and mat you have covered all hit numbers with at minimum 2 Units.

I have a report that from 64000 trots
already  in the first 6 spin about 30% of all trots had 1 or more repeaters.
every next spin delivers about 10% new repeaters (means about 6400) or 18% new first repeaters of the trots which have no reapeaters yet.

So if you have no hit after spin 6 you have two chances:
1. You run into a trot which has no hits until spin 13 (means 12 bets tot. -320 units)
2. you restart with the same odds as above and end upt with 2 losses of 75 units tot. 150 units.

If you hit a repeater on the same number or even a hit back to back you will always recover 72 Units.
If you hit only neigbours, you recover 36 and raise your bets on the favourite sector.

todays spins:
5
1
2 neighbour 1 hit of mat +36
25 neighbour 2 hit of wheel +36
14 neighbour 1 hit of wheel +36
25 full hit with 3 units on 25 (25 mat and wheel 2 units; neighbour of 2 one unit) +108
total +216
bets -150

You dont have to recover in the same game. You can stop at any loss near +-0 or after a loss of 75 units and recover in the next game this small loss. It is kind of a sure bet.


2. narrow the bets and you will narrow the wins and narrow the recovery

3. no progression needed. If you wanna it is at your own risk. It will kill your bankroll, for sure

[tuddilue]

Hi Tuddilue,

You know that the first repeater shows at spin 7 to 10. (statisticly)
If you bet both wheel and mat you have covered all hit numbers with at minimum 2 Units.

I have a report that from 64000 trots
already  in the first 6 spin about 30% of all trots had 1 or more repeaters.
every next spin delivers about 10% new repeaters (means about 6400) or 18% new first repeaters of the trots which have no reapeaters yet.

So if you have no hit after spin 6 you have two chances:
1. You run into a trot which has no hits until spin 13 (means 12 bets tot. -320 units)
2. you restart with the same odds as above and end upt with 2 losses of 75 units tot. 150 units.

If you hit a repeater on the same number or even a hit back to back you will always recover 72 Units.
If you hit only neigbours, you recover 36 and raise your bets on the favourite sector.

todays spins:
5
1
2 neighbour 1 hit of mat +36
25 neighbour 2 hit of wheel +36
14 neighbour 1 hit of wheel +36
25 full hit with 3 units on 25 (25 mat and wheel 2 units; neighbour of 2 one unit) +108
total +216
bets -150

You dont have to recover in the same game. You can stop at any loss near +-0 or after a loss of 75 units and recover in the next game this small loss. It is kind of a sure bet.


2. narrow the bets and you will narrow the wins and narrow the recovery

3. no progression needed. If you wanna it is at your own risk. It will kill your bankroll, for sure

Thanks for the impressive answer. My comments:
1. You gave me a lot to think about and test. Thanks! I will of course test some more. To have like 64000 trots that is impressive!
2. Yes I agree on that. As always you think to improve the bets. A mind game that is always running 
3. Yes progression is always a killer. I was just interesting in your thoughts.
- Tudiilue

[NextYear]

Thanks, Winkel!

I would like to hear your thoughts on comparing similar methods to this one:

- if we just put 1 unit on a number that come
- if we put 1 unit on a number that come and 1 on its neighbor (let's say one to the right on wheel/mat or on both) = 2/4 nums
- if we put 1 unit on a number that come and on 2 of its neighbors (on wheel/mat or both) = 3/6 nums
- if we put 1 unit on a number that come and on 4 of its neighbors (on wheel/mat or both) = 5/10 nums
- if we put 1 unit on a number that come and on 6 of its neighbors (on wheel/mat or both) = 7/14 nums

What are +/- of when we bet more or less numbers?
Maybe 1 unit bet is safer, but takes more time or is it the other way around?

[winkel]

The problem is pronouncing the bet.

You can say: number 1+1 or number 2+2 or number 3+3
on wheel
number 1+1 is too less coverage
number 3+3 is too much coverage

on mat
you can place one unit on the hit number and one square
or one hit number and two splits
It is just comfortable.

[NextYear]

number 1+1 is too less coverage
number 3+3 is too much coverage

So, 2 on each side you find optimal.

Thanks

[tuddilue]

I played 4 times. I played with only the neighbors from the wheel:
RNG William Hill
1   22   31;9;22;18;29                  
2   15   31;9;22;18;29; 0;32;15;19;4                  
3   24   31;9;22;18;29; 0;32;15;19;4;10;5;24;16;33                  
4   14   31;9;22;18;29; 0;32;15;19;4;10;5;24;16;33;1;20;14;31;9                  
5   14   1;20;14;31;9         Win   -15       Restart
6   28   1;20;14;31;9;29;7;28;12;35                  
7   24   1;20;14;31;9;29;7;28;12;35;10;5;24;16;33                  
8   21   1;20;14;31;9;29;7;28;12;35;10;5;24;16;33;19;4;21;2;25                  
9   15   1;20;14;31;9;29;7;28;12;35;10;5;24;16;33;19;4;21;2;25;0;32;15;19;4                  
10   25   21;2;25;17;34         Win    -39      Restart
11   18   21;2;25;17;34;9;22;18;29;7                  
12   9   14;31;9;22;18         Win   21      Restart
13   36   14;31;9;22;18;27;13;36;11;30                  
14   35   14;31;9;22;18;27;13;36;11;30;28;12;35;3;26                  
15   5   14;31;9;22;18;27;13;36;11;30;28;12;35;3;26;23;10;5;24;16                  
16   24            Win   -13   Sum -46         

Positive is that it never went over 6 spins.
Did I do it correctly?
Or should I have played both the wheel and the mat?
- Tuddilue

[winkel]

Just check the same numbers in 3 Versions:

1. only wheel (done)
2. only mat
3. both

test several RNGs and then bet the version you feel sure and comfortable with.

[tuddilue]

Just check the same numbers in 3 Versions:

1. only wheel (done)
2. only mat
3. both

test several RNGs and then bet the version you feel sure and comfortable with.

Thanks, then I did correct.
Yes I will test the other 2 as well.
- Tuddilue

[nottophammer]

been using this on mpr
gone well, but heres the but on mpr.
now is it paranoia, but this morning it had me at 35 #'s covered, but i won with watching and waiting. now i've been back 3 times and said i'd wait to see if miss the #'s after 3 spins, well here are the spins, 13,20,13 left and came back it then gave 14,13,13 so left again and just now 11,19,32,0

so you tell me is it watching or i just came into a random set of spins that made the money that i missed by waiting.

[nottophammer]

so 11:37 on mpr and ee is there said i just posted about this topic and got these spins as thought wait again, #'s 2,4,21 convenient