@ turbo

[Ricky]

Rick, firstly thankyou for attempting to have a structured discussion.

It is, but the game is dynamic with ever-changing variables, and degrees of error.

It does, but simply there is variance.

Not exactly. Each bet has its own odds and payout. It is more accurate to say the casino is more assured to profit because there are so many bets made, from multiple players combined. So even if one player wins, lots of players lose.

But it doesnt work in the short or long term any better than random bet selection. Its not an opinion. Its fact anyone can test and verify.

If you're talking short term only, then test lots of short term sessions. The combined result is a loss. Its like the player who plays 1 spin a day and thinks that gives him the best chance of winning. What happens when 100 players all use the same approach? Do they all have a better chance, or are they all deluded?

It has no merit because the odds/accuracy are still 1 in 37, so it's literally as good as random bet selection. That's the whole point.

As above, its no different. Proper tests clearly show this.

Its not a "trend". It's just a collection of random numbers, and you think it looks like a trend.

Yes now we're getting somewhere. We're looking at relevant variables (the cause). If you want to use a repeaters system, check for distance in pockets from one winning number to the next. It's a step forward, towards dealer signature. But checking for repeating distances is a clumsy way of doing it. I said earlier if I was going to try and win on MPR, dealer signature would be my approach. But its a bit more complicated than just looking at repeating distances.

No the computers measure the ball and rotor speed after the spin starts. Dealer signature is approximating distances before ball release.

You don't need 100% accuracy. You only need slight accuracy. The house edge is only small.

That's part of it. You can use this for free:
link:://roulettephysics.com/jaa/index.php/jump

It charts the distance between pockets with data in this format:

0,12
13,8
4,13
18,12
0,21
21,33
2,18
0,5
12,16
30,18
1,26
25,10
1,35

This gives this:



He has made many other "boneheaded" claims, that are plain wrong, clumsy and contradictory. That's what the experienced players are on about. There are so many holes in his story, and the less-experienced and naive members waste their time chasing shadows, without understanding any of it.

Every now and then a new self-professed guru comes along, and sheep follow blindly. It degrades the forum, kills productivity, and costs people money - all for the kicks of a sociopath.

you are on the right path with dealer signature. The things to keep in mind are:

* The wheel is circular. Peaks in charts overlap even with different variables.

* If you dont carefully monitor the variables, you can go from hitting the right sector to completely avoiding it. This means you go from a positive edge, to a negative edge that's worse than random accuracy. The end result is no edge at all, or even worse win rate than random bet selection.

Dealer signature is not as simplistic as it sounds, if you are to get and maintain an edge. But again you are on the right path.

Hi Steve
thanks for your considered response to my points. As I said we agree to disagree with some points. I will test the Repeater method as I said and compare it to my own random guesses. I know from your view is using  random selection you can win and lose just as much as using any method like repeaters or even Pattern Breaker. From my view I don't even have the luck to consistently bet streaks. I swear its as if the casino knows I'm coming and does its best to avoid all my random bets. So I am looking for a more structured way to approach the game. eg. with Pattern Attack playing Baccarat I recorded 100 game results and for the first time I actually won 93/100 games. Now for an unlucky person you cannot say that I was extremely lucky. Well you may say that but I will take that sort of luck any day.

Anyway, I am going to review the information you provided and we can continue this discussion once I understand a bit more about the variables that are important.

Cheers,
Ricky

[Steve]

A structured bet selection is a good thing, but again it needs to actually be effective. It starts with using relevant variables.

[TurboGenius]

He has made many other "boneheaded" claims, that are plain wrong, clumsy and contradictory. That's what the experienced players are on about. There are so many holes in his story, and the less-experienced and naive members waste their time chasing shadows, without understanding any of it.

Sighs.
Nothing is contradictory, and no experienced players disagree with me.
The people who do disagree sell computers and need bias wheels to win because
they refuse to think - and if they did (imagine this) they would agree with me 100%.
But fine.
Simulations...win. (Parx, RS, RX)
Live play AC and PA...win.
Celtic online, live wheel and dealer...win.
and now Golden Nugget online, live wheel and dealer...win.

But I get it, continue to try to insult me - but we're not even in the same league
anymore and your not worth a reply. If you could stop for 10 seconds and think -
everything you've said about the game is accurate and yet it can still be beaten
(for exactly the reasons that you gave). But nope, consider me the bonehead and
I'll keep winning non-stop for as long as I choose to play the game.
Say it's not possible, tell others it's not possible - it's a bit silly really since I'm not
losing and cannot lose. (as long as the results are random).
And I win despite all of the "facts" that you put out. Think about it.

[TurboGenius]

Here I will have to disagree with Turbo if that's his claim. I see Repeats as a result of the physical properties of the wheel not of the effects of "Random". Random is Random.

People ignore and deny reality all the time, it doesn't make them right.
The "wheel" is irrelevant - random is all that matters.
If a blind person picks ping pong balls out of a bucket randomly, I win.
If a RNG spits out numbers randomly, I win.
If some other device produces numbers randomly, I win.
The physical ball and wheel are only relevant to people who can't win unless there
is a defect in the wheel, but mostly they hang out on forums instead of winning
because these wheels are as rare as Bigfoot and in reality they want to learn from
people like me - who DO win thanks to random results on ANY wheel or ANY rng
in any casino or any simulation game where the results are random.
So ignoring reality and claiming the physical aspects of the game are how to win
is fine - welcome to the mystical "AP" players club.
(and yes, a bias wheel player is playing hot numbers due to the defect - but they will say "NO NO, it's more complicated than that !!!!" - but no, it's not. They are playing hot sections of the wheel due to the bias...... but a system player who uses hot numbers is a bonehead (laughs)).
Amazing.

[Steve]

All talk.

MPR, thousands of spins.. lose.

Better give some excuses.

Lets try somewhere else. Somewhere with hundreds of thousands in bonuses. Somewhere where players routinely win millions. Somewhere where the betting limits are much greater than any real casino. Somewhere where all players seem to have the HG.

Turbo land..

[TurboGenius]

Every now and then a new self-professed guru comes along, and sheep follow blindly. It degrades the forum, kills productivity, and costs people money - all for the kicks of a sociopath.

You should ban any person doing such things, but the big problem with that is that
it's your opinion and not reality. I've been on forums since the beginning - people who agree with me and actually understand what I'm saying are certainly not sheep.
To claim that is as stupid as Hillary claiming we're all "deplorables" - to which she promptly lost after basically insulting 1/2 of the country.
Calling people sheep and ignorant is insulting to your own members who you rely on to post and keep your forum going.
Not that having a forum makes any sense in your case.
A blank page with simple words like "Roulette cannot be beaten" or "Computers are the only way to win" would save a lot of time and hassle.
But instead there is a forum where people can participate - but anyone who agrees with "me" or doesn't follow your belief that it's impossible to win are insulted and then you throw spears and rocks at the person telling and showing everyone it is possible.
Seems a bit silly, just delete the forum and all of the posts and make a page that points to the Roulette Computer page and you've done the world a giant favor, right ?
No more sheep, no more nonsense, no more boneheads and no more misleading claims.
You have the power to do that but.... you won't.

[TurboGenius]

All talk.

MPR, thousands of spins.. lose.

Just the facts, all of which can be verified.
MPR is not now and never has been a realistic example of the game.
As I said, it's been 2 years and the "programmer" is still working those bugs out.
All of the sources I noted (and easily win at) are legit random outcomes, correct
payouts and bug free. Keep holding up 1 (so-called) test location as proof that I'm wrong and ignore the mountain of others of course. Then if and when I play on your game page and win, more excuses - there was a bug, the programmer is fixing it - ignore Turbo's results please !!!
It's insanity - but it's your own insanity.

[Steve]

mostly they hang out on forums instead of winning

Or playing to win fun credits to impress people on forums.

I've been on forums since the beginning

Yep.

[Andre Chass]

Sighs.
Nothing is contradictory, and no experienced players disagree with me.
The people who do disagree sell computers and need bias wheels to win because
they refuse to think - and if they did (imagine this) they would agree with me 100%.
But fine.
Simulations...win. (Parx, RS, RX)
Live play AC and PA...win.
Celtic online, live wheel and dealer...win.
and now Golden Nugget online, live wheel and dealer...win.

Mr turbo, keep lying, keep contradicting yourself...

"Bias wheel players take advantage of hot numbers and hot wheel sectors because of the flaw that those AP player's exploit to their benefit, and I'm 100% sure the casinos are aware of them (probably not too scared though). I'm playing hot numbers - as I've said in the past (if you've read my posts). A hot number system player will be playing the same numbers as a bias wheel player - so I'll just assume they would be just as wary of that as well. But not scared. I win a small amount over time. I don't go in for the kill like most AP players tend to like doing."

              - TurboGenius

[Steve]

it's your opinion and not reality

Its reasonable to say reality is what testing indicates. Repeaters dont change odds. You say you beat random because its random. You live in fairytale land.

Calling people sheep and ignorant is insulting to your own members

If someone is ignorant, i will call them ignorant because they're ignorant. If they feel insulted, they should grow up. Im not here to kiss asses or play fake. Im honest and direct, not intending to insult. If i wanted to insult someone id call them a boner cooking wart nibbler (:.insult-generator.com, really immature).

and then you throw spears and rocks at the person telling and showing everyone it is possible

No, i explain the truth and how people can verify for themselves.  Big difference.

Seems a bit silly, just delete the forum and all of the posts and make a page that points to the Roulette Computer page and you've done the world a giant favor, right ?

Listen boner cooker, this has nothing to do with computers. You make this comment as an argument. That's what you rely on because you have nothing to back your claims except unrealistic fun money game results and really bad logic. The entire professional gaming community disagrees with you. Amd 99.999% have nothing to do with computers.  Or have i bribed them?

MPR is not now and never has been a realistic example of the game.

Then how do you explain the near perfect -2.7% results with all players combined? Not realistic enough for you? Or is realistic $3000 free money for logging in? I dunno turbo, seems suss to me.

As I said, it's been 2 years and the "programmer" is still working those bugs out.

Again, -2.7% as expected. No bug affected your winnings. i mean losses. Youre just fishing for excuses.

correct
payouts and bug free

Yes your rainbow fairytale land.

[jekhb76]

Or playing to win fun credits to impress people on forums.

Yep.

Steve, i've won alot of money, No fun money.
I Let you guess wich numbers gave me my winnings 
And you know what is even More exciting that is if we were playing the same numbers at the same Table, you'r and your bias method and i with my repeaters method, at the End of it all, we would Have won on the same numbers. But you Just refuse to See it.

[nottophammer]

Mr turbo, keep lying, keep contradicting yourself...

"Bias wheel players take advantage of hot numbers and hot wheel sectors because of the flaw that those AP player's exploit to their benefit, and I'm 100% sure the casinos are aware of them (probably not too scared though). I'm playing hot numbers - as I've said in the past (if you've read my posts). A hot number system player will be playing the same numbers as a bias wheel player - so I'll just assume they would be just as wary of that as well. But not scared. I win a small amount over time. I don't go in for the kill like most AP players tend to like doing."

              - TurboGenius

While you guys are trying to beat the Roulette I'm making money with a simple and basic strategy.

Wake up! You will spend time and money for years in a fantasy called roulette.

If you're making money, why you on Mr T's case.
better you just ---- off and make your money

[The General]

Jekhb76 is very likely Turbo on this forum.

And you know what is even More exciting that is if we were playing the same numbers at the same Table, you'r and your bias method and i with my repeaters method, at the End of it all, we would Have won on the same numbers. But you Just refuse to See it.

No most of the time you would not be on the same numbers.  Turbo made the same naive statement.

[Steve]

Jek, i won for around a year with a losing system. I would let nobody tell me i would eventually lose. I had the hg. I was even more boneheaded than you. I eventually learned my lesson. You are going have your reality check too.

I know your mentality. I've been there. Its something you'll need to learn yourself.

[The General]

MPR is not now and never has been a realistic example of the game.
As I said, it's been 2 years and the "programmer" is still working those bugs out.
All of the sources I noted (and easily win at) are legit random outcomes, correct
payouts and bug free. Keep holding up 1 (so-called) test location as proof that I'm wrong and ignore the mountain of others of course. Then if and when I play on your game page and win, more excuses - there was a bug, the programmer is fixing it - ignore Turbo's results please !!!
It's insanity - but it's your own insanity.

MPR is more realistic than Parx free mode.
Bago has been lampooning play there and reaching the top of the board regularly.  He's making fun of the free game.   He's already proven that it's a joke.  Yet you think that's a more realistic game?