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[Madi]

What about rare pattern and bet against?

[Andre Chass]

A short progression (1,2,4 or 1,2,1... etc...), little risk and great win rate 

[Madi]

Its not about risk  Vs profit. U can play flat if u want.

Question is

Looking for pattern in a random game and bet against is a fallacy or not?

[The General]

Its not about risk  Vs profit. U can play flat if u want.

Question is

Looking for pattern in a random game and bet against is a fallacy or not?

It's part of the gambler's fallacy...a fool's folly.

[Andre Chass]

Some advantages

The house edge is minimal (it's a 50/50 game).

Lower variance (Roulette has an infinite variance).

No dealer cheating (some dealers use electronic devices at roulette to accelerate or slow down the wheel or to control where the ball will land)

No zero (the main reason that's hard you win at roulette long term)

The lower variance is the main reason that you win betting against a rare pattern most of the time.

No patience to wait for the rare pattern is the problem. Most people want playing every hand or every spin.

I think it doesn't work playing roulette because the spins are Independent from each other. In baccarat the cards are pre arranged in the shoe. That's the difference.

[Madi]

Take out 0 from roulette and minimal house from baccarat.

Still looking for pattern and bet against is fallacy.

And minimum house edge means in long term u will lose that minimum amount. Ye still u lose. Its not exactly 50-50 game

[Madi]

Take out zero from roulette and minimum house from bacc.

Still its fallacy. Pattern fallacy has nothing to do with house

[Andre Chass]

You're right!

Keep playing hot numbers strategy.

Regards

[Andre Chass]

Lower variance (Roulette has an infinite variance).

The lower variance is the main reason that you win betting against a rare pattern most of the time.

I think it doesn't work playing roulette because the spins are Independent from each other. In baccarat the cards are pre arranged in the shoe. That's the difference.

Oh, and read it again and try it for yourself. ☮️ Peace

Regards

[Madi]

Lets delete the roulette .

Now in bacc  its like even chance as u said 50-50. Each time player banker showed up is an independent event. A player showed up now means its has nothing to do with past or future outcome.

Still looking for patten  and bet against in that even chance is fallacy. It has its own variance  like any other even chance game.

[TurboGenius]

Looking for pattern in a random game and bet against is a fallacy or not?

It's not a fallacy. One of the chapters in my book is going to be all about how "Gambler's Fallacy" is nonsense and doesn't exist. But that's for another time.
Patterns are everywhere - a pattern also doesn't repeat (in 3 places at once for example).
If I win every time a pattern fails to repeat then I win.
There are patterns all throughout the table layout (or wheel if you prefer) and they won't repeat thanks to random. I can give examples but anyone can do it themselves and see.
Therefore if I win when a pattern that never repeats doesn't repeat... it's a no-brainer
that they have immense value for the player.
Ignore the "Fallacy" talk and do testing, you'll see there is NO fallacy and this is created to stop people from looking into ways that work.

[Andre Chass]

Lets delete the roulette .

Now in bacc  its like even chance as u said 50-50. Each time player banker showed up is an independent event. A player showed up now means its has nothing to do with past or future outcome.

Still looking for patten  and bet against in that even chance is fallacy. It has its own variance  like any other even chance game.

The variance in Baccarat is much lower than the roulette variance. Who knows Baccarat game knows that and knows that the pattern will stop forming at some point. And it happens quickly. You will hardly see a pattern forming 4 times in Bacarrat. Ex. BPP BPP BPP BPP. And we can take advantage of it. Not always you will win but you will win much more than losing. It's a grinder. It is not fallacy. It's about to know how the game works and its statistics. The best way to use the strategy is betting on the right conditions trying do find biased shoes.

[The General]

For the rare pattern folks

Question:  Does the number of pockets on the wheel and the number of numbers on which you bet determine the probability of winning?




If the same number of pockets remain on the wheel from one spin to the next, then why would the probability of winning change over the next series of spins just because you've witnessed a rare event? 

Logic, it's always in the way. 

[Andre Chass]

a pattern also doesn't repeat (in 3 places at once for example).

May I ask you what do you mean?

[Andre Chass]

If I win every time a pattern fails to repeat then I win.
There are patterns all throughout the table layout and they won't repeat thanks to random.

Well, I must admit that this time I agree with Turbo