@ turbo

[Andre Chass]

CHT

On the other thread you were complaining that players did not share their strategies.
You said that there is no problem in share the strategies with other players. So why don't you make a step by step explaining how to bet the TG strategy? Have you changed your mind and now you do not want to share the strategy any more? Now you've found HG you will do the same sick game that TG does?

[Steve]

The real problem is I don't have the time to conduct the extensive tests.

You know I've already given free software and instructions to prove turbo;s theories nonsense. But thats ok if you don't have time. Get right into betting real money. You are so sure Turbo has the secret, and it works. You just dont know how... yet. I cant argue with that solid logic.

So all you need is a can-do attitude and discipline 

[The General]

At least now General and you properly understand TG. Pls less nonsensical disjointed banter.

If I am not wrong, he can't predict all the future hot numbers. Just enough to profit from. 

Ofc I will eventually find out. That is with evidence of tests conducted.

You can continue do the name calling here. No more response from here.

When I completed enough sample test I will post here the results. Based on how I apply TG's idea.

The real problem is I don't have the time to conduct the extensive tests. 

There's no reason to run simulations on it unless you really suck at math.

The facts as they are for the random game and rng game.

1. There's 38 pockets on the wheel
2. The payout is short at 35 to 1.
3. The same number of pockets remain on the wheel from one spin to the next.  Therefore the odds of winning don't change at each spin.
4.  Each spin is an independent trial with no connection to the past.
5. The long term expectation is negative, regardless of the amount bet at each spin.

[Steve]

So why don't you make a step by step explaining how to bet the TG strategy?

Because he doesnt know what it is yet. But it works. The rest of us "naysayers" just don't know better. All that's left for CHT's millions is figuring out the system.

[Steve]

There's no reason to run simulations on it unless you really suck at math.

The facts as they are for the random game and rng game.

1. There's 38 pockets on the wheel
2. The payout is short at 35 to 1.
3. The same number of pockets remain on the wheel from one spin to the next.  Therefore the odds of winning don't change at each spin.
4.  Each spin is an independent trial with no connection to the past.
5. The long term expectation is negative, regardless of the amount bet at each spin.

Yeah all the turbofans know that. But turbo has the secret. Its so obvious you'll be kicking yourself. Turbo laid it out on a silver platter. They just need to figure out what the system is.

[cht]

CHT

On the other thread you were complaining that players did not share their strategies.
You said that there is no problem in share the strategies eith other players.

Yes, this is my personal stand on the matter.

So why don't you make a step by step explaining how to bet the TG strategy? Have you changed your mind and now you do not want to share the strategy any more? Now you've found HG you will do the same sick game that TG does?

Nope I have not changed my mind.

Ofc I saw this coming. 

This involves TG's ideas. He made the call. I respect proprietary rights. You have to change his mind.

As to your reference to HG, at this point in time, I won't call it HG.

Fact is I won't bet a dime until I have this thoroughly tested.
I am certain I am not there yet. I can see the flaws that I have to solve as the sessions play out.

[jekhb76]

Man, i've only been sleeping for a missirable 5 hours and what do i See when i Wake up? 5 more pages added to this thread 

[Andre Chass]

Well, the same bullshit here... Now from CHT doing the same sick game as TG does.

We have 3 now: TG, Passionruleta and CHT

[jekhb76]

The Turbo circus is going in circles because when Turbo is cornered, his answers are vague and evasive. Here I'll summarize everything:
Steve, is this the beginning of a new book by you? Man you really should get a Life  isn't it better to Just remove this thread, this is goin' nowhere anymore.


1. Turbo was winning on MPR (rouletteplayers.org), but eventually he started to lose. Then he started playing at Parxonline, a different free roulette site. Initially he didn’t give reasons for changing.


2. He ranked high on the Parx leaderboard, and started bragging that he had the HG. He started various threads preaching.


3. The more experienced members highlighted the faults in his logic, to which he responded with vague claims. He is allowed to keep secrets. The problem is what he did release was incorrect. More about this is explained below. But basically Turbo has made many contradictory and inaccurate statements about roulette, math and gambling in general.


4. Eventually Turbo lost all his winnings at Parx. He claimed he did it intentionally, to prove that he could.


5. Parxonline is not a realistic roulette simulator, and its math makes it possible for anyone to rank high even with a bad system. Here's how it's done:

Each day you login consecutively (without missing days), you can an increasingly large daily login bonus. After many days, you get the maximum daily bonus of is $3000/day.

Ultimately to rank high, the player needs to log in every day for the maximum bonus. Then you'll have a larger bankroll than other players. So you can bet higher, win more, and then rank higher on the leaderboard.

And if you rank high on the leaderboard, you get huge amounts of bonus money (around $100,000).

Additionally, the betting limits are very broad and unrealistic. This means you can use a progression that rarely loses.

So ultimately anyone can rank high in Parx. All it takes is:

- Logging in every day to get the maximum bonus, so you can out-bet other players.

- Taking advantage of the broad and unrealistic betting limits. So a progression allows you to keep winning for longer than real casino roulette.

- Playing often, but not too much. Playing too much will eventually make you lose, as he found. You need only play just enough to out-rank other players, without blowing your bankroll. Then you get another huge bonus and repeat the cycle.


6. Next Turbo moved to RS, another online roulette game. One obvious flaw in the game is it also has very broad table betting limits. Real casinos don’t use such limits because it would be too easy for players to win large amounts.

Additionally, RS video-records your sessions. You can make the video recordings public or private. Turbo made his private, but of course the game admin can easily see the recordings.

The RS game shows bankroll trend. Turbo said his system uses "aggressive progression". If this was the case, there would be clearly pronounced ups and downs in his bankroll trend. But instead we see a gradual increase. This clearly shows his progression is mild. It appears clearly his progression aims to increase his bankroll before the start of a betting cycle, then reset. This is the best way to exploit broad and unrealistic table limits.



TURBO'S CLAIMS


* When forced to admin Parx was not a realistic simulator, he claimed it was "fair because anyone could get the same bonuses if they wanted". But he neglects the fact most people don’t religiously login every day for the maximum bonus. Now again he claims Parx and RS are realistic simulators.


* Turbo had two accounts at MPR - he said one for serious play, and the other for testing. Both accounts had an overall LOSS. He claims his serious account (where he played thousands of spins) never used his best system.


* He claims he beats any game and "never loses" provided the results are RANDOM.

The problem with this is random means 1 in 37 accuracy. It means there is no pattern, past spins are meaningless and have no relation to future spins. So his and any method of bet selection is useless. And in such a case, you cant sustain winnings because the payout (35-1) will always be unfair. In other words, his bet selection will win 1 in 37 times with each independent bet, but he'll only be paid 35-1.

Basically he is saying he wins, only when spins are completely unpredictable. And that he uses past spins (hot numbers) to predict the future spins.

Even his claim alone that he "never loses" is a serious red flag.



* When asked why he avoided MPR, he eventually gave the excuse that he was worried I would steal his system. Problems with this claim are:

- He played RS instead, where the admin video-records his sessions (an even greater risk)

- All MPR does is log wins and payouts, to check for bugs. Every casino does this, but as far as i know only RS video-records sessions.... not a great place to play for someone trying to keep his system secret.


* Turbo still denies Parx and RS are in any way unrealistic simulators - even despite the betting limits no real casino has. He claims they are more realistic than MPR, where the win rate for all players combined is almost exactly what we expect with a house edge of -2.7%. Seems pretty realistic to me.


* Turbo's latest excuses for avoiding MPR is that he claims it has "bugs". The bugs he's referring to are minor and insignificant, such as sometimes spins will appear faster than every 30 seconds. He never complained about such an issue when he was winning on MPR. But now he uses this as an excuse to avoid MPR.

Another of his excuses for avoiding MPR is that it is "less realistic thab Parx and RS". Proof this is nonsense is before the recently leaderboard reset on MPR, we can combine the overall results from all players and see the house edge is -2.7%, just as it is in a real casino.

But on Parx, there are regularly players who win millions. Usually the slot machine players win the most. Turbo's reasoning is that the betting limits are higher for slot machines. But Turbo contradicted himself by claiming table limits were irrelevant, and that a system will either win or lose.


* Turbo contradicted himself and claimed his system greatly increases the player's edge because out of 37 spins, he knows only about 24 separate numbers will spin. But this cannot at all increase the player's edge because you don’t know what number appeared until it appeared. And once it has appeared, there's still a 1 in 37 chance it will appear again. Remember he said he needs "random" (1 in 37) to win.


* Turbo says his system is based on "hot numbers". He eventually changed his explanations to claiming he bet on the hot numbers before they appeared. This is not possible because in a random game, the previous spins have no connection to future spins.


*Turbo published an old black and white video claiming it held the secrets. But it actually contains only basic probability.


* Turbo claims "math beats a math game". But the math of random is you cannot change the odds, no matter what you do. Random means random. If you cant change the odds of 1 in 37, then you've changed nothing. Multiple bets are not in any way connected - they're just a bunch of independent bets, each with set odds and payouts.


* Turbo claimed a wheel bias player would make the same bets as him. He later changed his mind.


* Turbo claims I'm just discrediting his system only because I want to sell roulette computers, and that I claim roulette computers is the only way to beat roulette. This is false. I never said computers are the only way. In fact I've explained other ways, and just explained you can only win by changing the odds to be better than random. But it isnt possible in a random game. My comments about Turbo's system have nothing to do with my technology. 99.999% of professionals who understand why "repeaters systems" don't work have nothing to do with roulette computers. That's why casinos freely give you data on "hot numbers" - because countless professionals have tested exhaustively and know hot or cold numbers are meaningless. The display of hit numbers preys on gullible and inexperienced players. Turbo is just finding a convenient excuse and distracting from the logic presented. Turbo's "proof" of his claims are tests on rigged games, and Roulette Xtreme charts with very few spins.


* Turbo says his system "never loses". When asked why he isnt out making millions, he said its because money doesn't motivate him. So instead of spends all this time playing to win "fun money" on unrealistic games like Parx and RS. MPR is far more realistic.


* Another of Turbo's apparent reasons for avoiding MPR is he doesn't trust the spins. The spins are from real wheels, at least 300 consecutive spins from a wheel, before the spin database uses spins from another wheel. He says even if the spins are random, you cant stitch spins from wheels together because "random and random is not random". I disagree, because 1 in 37 is 1 in 37 no matter how you look at it. It's just another of Turbo's excuses for avoiding MPR. To prove I didnt rig spins, I published the spin database in an encrypted file, and released the password after all spins were complete. So anyone could verify the game is fair, and doesn't deliberately make players lose. It works the same way as real roulette with the house edge.


* I asked him if he'd play on MPR if we obtained the spins from random.org, but he refused, again falsely claiming the insignificant MPR "bugs" would make him lose.


* When I and other members explained why his approach wont work, we provided examples, the math, and even software with testing procedures to verify Turbo's approach cannot work on a realistic roulette game. Most notably, even after a number has spun 1,2,3,4 or however many times in however many spins, this number is no more likely to spin next or anytime soon than any other number. In other words, it's still 1 in 37. This is something anyone can easily test with softwarer I supplied, or other software.

If you believe Turbo's logic, 10 reds in a row changes the odds of red spinning again sometime soon. But any experienced or educated person knows this to be false.


* Turbo says to ignore people saying it's "gamblers fallacy", and that the term is actually a conspiracy to stop players from finding methods that work…. like "repeaters".


* Turbo says "random has limits". He referred to things like a number sleeping no more than a maximum number of spins. But this is just not true. Random has no limits, just like numbers have no limits.


* Turbo has said himself he is a "sociopath". This includes:

Compulsive lying

Narcissism (The symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder include: grandiose sense of importance, preoccupation with unlimited success, belief that one is special and unique, exploitative of others, lack of empathy, arrogance, and jealousy of others.)

Manipulation (Naturally, a sociopath is going to attempt to play puppet master with the people in their lives. This is likely when many people realize they’re dealing with a sociopath; when it becomes clear that the individual in question is trying to pull the strings and manipulate those around them to get what they want. Again, they think they’ll get away with it due to their narcissism, and don’t care about the consequences.)

While this doesn't address the logic of his "never lose system", it does explain his motives. Simply he appears to get off on the attention.



Did I miss anything? I'm sure there's lots. I've just taken the time to summarize it to help prevent going in circles. We can refer back to this post to save everyone time.

Ultimately every now and then, a new self-professed guru comes along and misleads people. The experienced members quickly expose them. But the less experienced members (followers) win a few times with the guru's advice, and fight to defend their guru. Then a lot of repetitive arguments occur. The experienced players know the logic and faults, and the inexperienced members keep fighting because they don’t know better. The sociopath enjoys the attention.

Eventually the followers, maybe a year later, realize the self-professed guru misled them. If the followers only tested properly, their loss of time and money could have been avoided.

The cycle repeats again with a different self-professed guru. Often it is the same person using a different username. A prime example is Charles Edward Hampshire. When I asked him privately why he misled people, he claimed it was because he "liked to make people think". In his mind, he was benefiting people. In reality, he was deluded and misleading people.

These "gurus" never come out and admit to lying. Why would they? They keep going around and around saying the same rubbish. So it is up to people to wake up. Don't be the fool and puppet.

And the reason the forum becomes degraded is because the "followers" are too stupid and inexperienced to see they're being led on. They do not understand the bad logic and contradictions of the guru. They dont understand the proper testing procedures and correct logic of experienced members, so followers just assume there is a conspiracy to stop the guru's HG.

Steve isn't it better to remove this thread ? This is goin' nowhere anymore. And while you're add it, Just remove the entire Forum and start a new one. Me and my Roulette Computer friends!

[Steve]

Steve isn't it better to remove this thread ? This is goin' nowhere anymore. And while you're add it, Just remove the entire Forum and start a new one. Me and my Roulette Computer friends!

That reply is the best you can do? I suppose you cant come up with any logic proving turbo's theories. Its your money jek 

[cht]

Well, the same bullshit here... Now from CHT doing the same sick game as TG does.

We have 3 now: TG, Passionruleta and CHT

Ouch it hurts !

I feel your frustration. 😂

Gambling money is pocket change for me.

TG spelt out his stand clearly.

If I did it to you, I am sure you will be lamblasting me.

Ofc if I reveal it to someone so that he can do the laborious test, won't I gain from that ? It cost me nothing to do that.

Respect proprietary rights.

Think about that, Andre.

And truth be told, I won't do any further test for a long time. I don't have the time. 

[The General]

Ouch it hurts !

I feel your frustration. 😂

Gambling money is pocket change for me.

TG spelt out his stand clearly.

If I did it to you, I am sure you will be lamblasting me.

Ofc if I reveal it to someone so that he can do the laborious test, won't I gain from that ? It cost me nothing to do that.

Respect proprietary rights.

Think about that, Andre.

And truth be told, I won't do any further test for a long time. I don't have the time. 

Cht,

Are you in the US?

[Madi]

1. There's 38 pockets on the wheel
2. The payout is short at 35 to 1.
3. The same number of pockets remain on the wheel from one spin to the next.  Therefore the odds of winning don't change at each spin.
4.  Each spin is an independent trial with no connection to the past.
5. The long term expectation is negative, regardless of the amount bet at each spin.

Considering this

I bet on  number 5  $20. ( 1/37 and it can hit any time between 1 and 37. Lets assume i get a hit on 20th spin.

Bet on same number $5 and keep going. U passed next 37 spin shorter payout , pocket  same. Got a hit on 40th spin . Win . Does the shorter payout pocket bothering me . It should hit earlier (1/37)

Can u show us using math that my number will not show up in next 30 spin.??

[cht]

Cht,

Are you in the US?

I'll be in US later next month.

[The General]

Considering this

I bet on  number 5  $20. ( 1/37 and it can hit any time between 1 and 37. Lets assume i get a hit on 20th spin.

Bet on same number $5 and keep going. U passed next 37 spin shorter payout , pocket  same. Got a hit on 40th spin . Win . Does the shorter payout pocket bothering me . It should hit earlier (1/37)

Can u show us using math that my number will not show up in next 30 spin.??

Yes, there are 38 pockets, and you're only betting on one of them.  Your number could easily go several hundred spins without hitting because of variance.

Since the long term expectation is -5.26% can you point to a betting amount that will turn that into a positive value?