@ turbo

[Nimo]

Forgive me if rude... But why does anyone even entertain the idea turbo g banger can have a grail if he hasn't showed u a big sample of spins that real that's ended positive ? Even if he talks wisdom all day.no graph no way..lol

There is no point in a million spin test, over a million spins all the numbers will equal out , to a point, they should all show up 27027.027 times each, they will be close to that but some will be less, some will be more, because they are randomly dropped they won't all hit exactly 27027.027 times each.  Within that 1,000,000 spin sample you may get numbers not hitting 800 times in a row, you may get the same number hit 80 times in a row.  That variable randomness is what Turbo means (In my opinion of it) when he says random beats random, because they are randomly dropped, he can beat it.  If it were fixed numbers, anyone could see the math and beat it, but since they are random, they won't all show up equally in equal  spaced increments, so Turbo is exploiting that.

[thelaw]

Forgive me if rude... But why does anyone even entertain the idea turbo g banger can have a grail if he hasn't showed u a big sample of spins that real that's ended positive ? Even if he talks wisdom all day.no graph no way..lol

"You don't know someone, till you know what they want" -Cormac McCarthy

Take a moment, and consider the fact that the owner of the world's most popular Roulette Forum, who claims to have a winning method/computers (which he sells), is arguing publicly with a member, who claims to have a winning method (that he doesn't sell) over the veracity of said method.

In theory, for some, Roulette is a business...............for others, a hobby.............and for most, a fantasy.

In practice, sometimes all three look identical.

[Steve]

Law, it takes a narrow & uninformed mind to think my intentions here are all about selling something. I've explained my intentions very clearly before. I dont want my forum to be full of ignorance. I want it to contain accurate and beneficial information, not the losing approaches everyone should know have been tried a billion times before. Computers arent even a consideration in it. Really, I have enough money and dont give a flying fornication if you or anyone doesnt like the idea of them.

Every professional in the gaming industry, every statistician, mathematician, etc agrees with me. They understand the logic and math of why turbos approaches are nonsense. Are they all just helping me sell computers?

Do you understand the flaws in Turbo's logic and approaches? Or do you really think he can beat roulette only when it's unpredictable and random, with 1 in 37 odds and 35-1 payout?

[Steve]

There is no point in a million spin test

You still aren't understanding this point.

If it were fixed numbers, anyone could see the math and beat it, but since they are random, they won't all show up equally in equal  spaced increments, so Turbo is exploiting that.

Really? So when streaks of reds/blacks occur, they wont repeat the same "spaced increments", and anyone can use that to beat roulette?? So do it.

... or maybe the space may be longer, or shorter than you expect. Or maybe exactly the same. Who knows. 1 in 37.

[TurboGenius]

Every professional in the gaming industry, every statistician, mathematician, etc agrees with me.

That's entirely not true, it's your opinion and you assume that they do.
You'll never see past 1 spin. Repeaters are therefore useless in a world where nothing repeats and each spin is it's own event, while a session or group of spins is meaningless and holds no information at all. It's a flaw preventing you from seeing what's possible.

[thelaw]

Law, it takes a narrow & uninformed mind to think my intentions here are all about selling something. I've explained my intentions very clearly before. I dont want my forum to be full of ignorance. I want it to contain accurate and beneficial information, not the losing approaches everyone should know have been tried a billion times before. Computers arent even a consideration in it. Really, I have enough money and dont give a flying fornication if you or anyone doesnt like the idea of them.

Every professional in the gaming industry, every statistician, mathematician, etc agrees with me. They understand the logic and math of why turbos approaches are nonsense. Are they all just helping me sell computers?

Do you understand the flaws in Turbo's logic and approaches? Or do you really think he can beat roulette only when it's unpredictable and random, with 1 in 37 odds and 35-1 payout?

Then I guess that it's a good thing that I didn't say anything negative about your sales or systems, or did your eyes deceive you Steve?

Careful that you don't see what you want, instead of what is actually posted.

No idea if Turbo's systems are winners, but if you're going to exclude all questionable methods from this board, then you might want to get started immediately, as you have your work cut out for you.

[Nimo]

You still aren't understanding this point.

I understand the point very well, as do others, the point is I know the results.  The numbers will gradually even out to become equal the longer the test is.  However, within that space and time, the numbers will not be equal as they will ebb and flow towards the equality , that ebb and flow is where the profit occurs.

Really? So when streaks of reds/blacks occur, they wont repeat the same "spaced increments", and anyone can use that to beat roulette?? So do it.

... or maybe the space may be longer, or shorter than you expect. Or maybe exactly the same. Who knows. 1 in 37.

No the increments wont' be the same, as I said, it's not a fixed number.  If it was fixed I would know that for example every 20th spin it's going to be number 6 that's dropped. 

[Steve]

That's entirely not true, it's your opinion and you assume that they do.

Name one, which has a formal and verifiable qualification in the field.

You'll never see past 1 spin.

Turbo I look at both 1 spin and groups of spins. And still your math and logic is full of holes.

Then I guess that it's a good thing that I didn't say anything negative about your sales or systems, or did your eyes deceive you Steve?

Go ahead, but say it where its relevant.

Careful that you don't see what you want, instead of what is actually posted.

Law, I dont care. This has nothing to do with computers.

No idea if Turbo's systems are winners, but if you're going to exclude all questionable methods from this board, then you might want to get started immediately, as you have your work cut out for you.

I ignore almost all of them. I tend to only focus on the ones misleading multiple people, like CEH, Turbo etc. Its a better use of my time. And so is creating a single page to explain the main parts, like :.roulettephysics.com/roulette-strategy/

No the increments wont' be the same, as I said, it's not a fixed number.  If it was fixed I would know that for example every 20th spin it's going to be number 6 that's dropped.

Again you missed it. Anyway just go and make your millions too.

[thelaw]

I ignore almost all of them. I tend to only focus on the ones misleading multiple people, like CEH, Turbo etc. Its a better use of my time. And so is creating a single page to explain the main parts, like :.roulettephysics.com/roulette-strategy/

If Turbo's misleading people, then why not just ban him? Either you want him to post or not, but name calling with him comes across as fear, which just gets him more views.

Turbo, if you would be less convincing, then Steve will leave you alone. There, that should settle it!

[Anastasius]

To win is a mix of visual b, sneaky progression, probability theory on a single split or line ect if u hyper focus on on element and study large stat samples ull see how ur one split ect behaves and thus during right conditions go well. Certain statistical limit will not cross once u see huge samples... Jus an opinion lol. I agree just be honest if u don't play well and don't tease people that ur about to get a majical Ferrari

[Steve]

If Turbo's misleading people, then why not just ban him?

Free speech. I'm relying on people using their brains.

Either you want him to post or not, but name calling with him comes across as fear, which just gets him more views.

What names? Misleading? Law, read my earlier post which summarizes everything, then tell me again everything in Turbo's story adds up.

Turbo, if you would be less convincing, then Steve will leave you alone. There, that should settle it!

Thats great logic 

It doesn't get less convincing because I see the holes. Clearly you dont, or dont bother to understand what you're talking about.

[Anastasius]

If u Gunna bang turbo g banger why not ban the people who are getting worked up without seeing a graph... Who cares how someone else plays.work on ur own method. u can't say either way without evidence right?

[thelaw]

What names? Misleading? Law, read my earlier post which summarizes everything, then tell me again everything in Turbo's story adds up.

Thats great logic 

It doesn't get less convincing because I see the holes. Clearly you dont, or dont bother to understand what you're talking about.

First off, please accept my apology for posting the "name-calling" accusation.  In reviewing the last dozen pages, I can't find any instance of this from you Steve, so I was mistaken.

Second, your quote:

I ignore almost all of them. I tend to only focus on the ones misleading multiple people, like CEH, Turbo etc. Its a better use of my time. And so is creating a single page to explain the main parts, like :.roulettephysics.com/roulette-strategy/

Again, perhaps Turbo is wrong, but clearly there is no debate here, as you two won't agree on terms. So it leaves members like me to wonder what your endgame is here.

At some point, all of the fighting looks like it's by design.

[Kairomancer]

link:s://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco_packaging_warning_messages

Just a food of thought about where you should not direct your energies.

Steve, have you noticed the correlation between roulette system players and smokers?

Both kill in the long run, yet warning messages do NOT work.

[Andre Chass]

lets see eh?

What are you trying to prove putting me in moderate mode? So you're the boss? That you're the boss here? Do not you have arguments? I didnt do anything wrong here and you should not have that kind of attitude with me. I already contribute a lot with this forum providing several strategies.

You're acting like a child if you're avenged that way.