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[luckyfella]

At least you said if, not doesn't outright, at least I read and comprehend every word, rather than gloss over, cherry pick and twist words to suit my agenda.  I don't share all I do on the forum, many others don't either so you don't know what systems I or others use. 

You still can't say combining two systems is not the same as combining two AP methods without knowing all the details.

That's the point.

I can appreciate that people come to their nay opinion based on what they read on forums, books and youtube.

The best systems works are never exposed to the public eye. They are unlike those seen in the public sphere mainly in that the basis of design is logical math based, the rigorous depth of study and the finer detail that the design is made.

[Joe]

at least I read and comprehend every word, rather than gloss over, cherry pick and twist words to suit my agenda.

Spot on. He's not doing himself any favors, everyone can see through it and it smacks of desperation.

[Steve]

Joe, that's a very shortsighted and presumptuous post.

When an expert writes a book explaining what they know is true, does that mean what they share for free on a public forum is incorrect or they don't really believe it?

Does their efforts to explain truth to people constitute an effort to sell books?

Is anyone who substantiates the expert's claims, but is not selling anything (like say.. the whole world of professionals), probably paid secretly by the expert?

When the expert is genuinely trying to undo harm from ignorance, does that mean hes trying to turn the ignorant lost ones, or help people avoid believing nonsense? Or maybe he is just trying to sell sell sell, with his educated minions that he pays to agree with him?

I'll address your post more thoroughly later. Not everyone puts money before honesty. Not everyone is desperate for money.

[luckyfella]

Get the correct facts(2013).

link:s://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GHjwGveB1-A

[Taotie]

trash video

[Joe]

taotie, why is it trash? This is the future, casinos are going to invest more and more in such advanced tech. It just makes economic sense. Such tables might currently be expensive, but prices will come down quickly, and how much money will casinos save by not having to pay their staff to do all this monitoring and maintenance manually?

[Joe]

When an expert writes a book explaining what they know is true, does that mean what they share for free on a public forum is incorrect or they don't really believe it?

Does their efforts to explain truth to people constitute an effort to sell books?

Is anyone who substantiates the expert's claims, but is not selling anything (like say.. the whole world of professionals), probably paid secretly by the expert?

When the expert is genuinely trying to undo harm from ignorance, does that mean hes trying to turn the ignorant lost ones, or help people avoid believing nonsense? Or maybe he is just trying to sell sell sell, with his educated minions that he pays to agree with him?

Steve, what's irritating is that you have a habit of misrepresenting and twisting other's posts to suit your agenda. I said quite clearly that you may have independent reasons for not generally endorsing systems (although you do say you're not closed-minded about them, which seems inconsistent to me), so I'm not suggesting that none of your advice represents a genuine desire to inform people of what you sincerely believe to be true. Your motives may indeed be "pure" in that sense, and not driven by sales, but you're certainly not impartial and objective, and to say that you "have no interest in turning anyone to AP" is just ridiculous. It would have been more honest to say "I'm biased, but at the same time here are my reasons X, Y, and Z for believing that AP is the way to go".

And I don't really know what to make of your claim that you haven't ruled out the possibility of a winning system being possible. You say it but then immediately dismiss any claims that people are winning with them, and that it must be luck, not enough testing, ignorance etc. In other words, you're patronizing and insulting. The general is more consistent and denies that any system can ever win, even in theory. I'll say this for him; at least you know where you stand. You seem to be not quite sure of where you are on the matter. Maybe you're hedging your bets, but in that case why don't your posts reflect this uncertainty? When pushed, you come down hard on the side of AP, which tends to make people think you're really thinking about sales.

[Roulettebeater]

Nice story, read it first !

One day  in a casino having a very good run with an excellent dealer. This story apparently happened in Vegas,  The dealer was a single mum and related her financial struggles to Mr Packer. Packer at one point tried to tip the dealer over $100,000, which would’ve paid off her mortgage. The dealer explained that she couldn’t take tips. Packer turned to the game supervisor and told him to fire the dealer. The supervisor, not wanting to lose one of the biggest players in the world to his casino, had no option but to fire the dealer. The dealer gets very upset and starts to cry. Packer motions to her, pushes around $120,000 in chips towards her, instructs her to go to the cage, get a cheque for the amount of the chips made out in her name, and return to the table. The dealer, by now very confused, does exactly what she’s told. She returns to the table, Packer says to the game supervisor “Now, re-hire this dealer !” which he does without batting an eyelid

[The General]

Get the correct facts(2013).

link:s://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GHjwGveB1-A

Ha!  Let me tell you about the wonderful self leveling system on live roulette wheels.  I freaking love them!
Dominant ball drops form because of warped aprons, track wears, uneven finish, deflectors poorly placed, and lastly because a wheel may be off level.  When a wheel has a dominant ball drop because of the apron or track, the self leveling mechanism does a fabulous job of locking in and keeping a consistently strong dominant drop. 

In short, the self leveling mechanism is one of the best inventions since the readerboards. 

[The General]

In general I agree, but not all systems can be dismissed.

Joe,

Which one do you feel is the exception? 

Why do you suppose it is that we never see any reports of someone winning with systems, but their are several reports of people winning using known AP methods?   

taotie, why is it trash? This is the future, casinos are going to invest more and more in such advanced tech. It just makes economic sense. Such tables might currently be expensive, but prices will come down quickly, and how much money will casinos save by not having to pay their staff to do all this monitoring and maintenance manually?

You really don't have much experience inside a casino, operations, or what really takes place behind the scenes.  Casinos are not the well run well oiled operations that you think they are.  Many are often very inefficient and are run more like the local parks and recreations dept rather than the "millitary like operation" that many people think they are.  Further more it's stupid to waste so much money on gimmicks that do little if anything to increase profits for the casino. 

[RouletteGhost]

Please send help. The broken record keeps repeating

[Winner]

Please send help. The broken record keeps repeating

Agree shut this forum down its useless.you have Steve and the General that could give a shit about systems but they both love a system forum .

[RouletteGhost]

Doesn’t take a genius to figure out why.

They take us for idiots.

[Joe]

You really don't have much experience inside a casino, operations, or what really takes place behind the scenes.  Casinos are not the well run well oiled operations that you think they are.  Many are often very inefficient and are run more like the local parks and recreations dept rather than the "millitary like operation" that many people think they are.  Further more it's stupid to waste so much money on gimmicks that do little if anything to increase profits for the casino. 

As usual, you guys cherry pick and ignore what doesn't suit you. There was a lot more in the description of that wheel than self-leveling, but you're such geniuses apparently nothing stops you from cleaning up. I suppose you can also beat random rotor speed wheels. The casinos are no match for you, they might as well just hand over the chips without you even playing. 

[The General]

. I suppose you can also beat random rotor speed wheels.

Yes, I like this invention as well.

1. The feature is negated because many dealers still wave off bets too late in the spin because they're led to believe the system makes the wheel unbeatable by ballistics.
2. The feature had an unforeseen effect on the wheel that created a new type of bias as well.