@ turbo

[denzie]

the biggest question is still how to select the 3-6 numbers

Now that's just easy ..... But You might wanna step outside that 37 spins   

[valvo]

G'Day Pogo, can we chat via PM?

[Madi]

@ probash
Done a little exp. it might not be suitable for the field condition as the growth is too slow. For $100 sometime need to play more than 1000 spin. But for experiment ya it shows positive result. Ur graph also show the same thing.

[777]

Now that's just easy ..... But You might wanna step outside that 37 spins   

Hi Denzie

Long time no see
yes i know the profits boost in cycle 2-3 when the hottie keeps hitting but how to improve the bet selection. you dont want to be betting 10 numbers do you? So how to pick the right 5-6 ones?

[Steve]

Probasar (peculiar name), you said:

I do however have everything against all the scammers and system sellers and roulette computer experts that have played the card of deceit for so many years.
They exploited the others for money benefits. That is absolutely intolerable to me.
Where are they now? WHERE ARE YOU? All the gurus and experts, where are you now? Come here and defend yourself. You can`t because you were all liars! Shame with you all.

Please do not buy any systems online or roulette computers as they are worthless.
They are only after your money. I want to know where all the AP gurus are hiding now? Where are all the system salers now. What are they doing now?

1. Exactly what experience do you have with roulette advantage play?

2. Why do you think casinos call it "advantage play"?

You've advised people to use flat bets, and to increase the accuracy of predictions. So far so good. Then you said to do this with turbo's method. Some problems:

- Turbos bet selection relates to hot numbers and he uses strong progression
- Turbo says his method works thanks to random

It doesnt seem you even know what turbos claims are. He's saying he doesnt change the odds, and he wins because of unpredictability and different size bets each with the same odds and spins are connected but not connected. I mean, if you understand the contradictions... really.

You tell people to increase accuracy of predictions, but dont do it with the only viable and proven methods. I mean really?

Further points:

1. Roulette computers can get single number hit rates of 1 in 12 on modern wheels. Im not so sure thats "worthless". Random is 1 in 37.

2. Ive defended basic facts for many years. The basic facts of roulette AP are "really basic". Only uneducated people claim otherwise. And for people that need to see for themelves, I do public demos on any wheel, and offer free trials. Nothing beats testing for yourself.

3. Theres ample proof AP actually does work and considered a real threat. Only and uneducated person claims otherwise.

4. I have no interest to censor anything about yours, turbos or any claimed winning system provided it isnt being used to scam people. This thread isnt going anywhere.

5. Ill be very clear on this point: I dont give a crap about what you or anyones opinions are of my technology or AP. But I do give a crap about being called a liar or dishonest. And I do give a crap about utter bullshit, and correcting it.

Before opening your mouth accusing others of dishonesty, be sure you have an idea of what youre talking about. But i suspect your motives are not so pure.

You are encouraging people to contact you privately via email and pm. This is actually against the rules if you are selling anything. Why? Because thats what scammers do, to avoid public scrutiny from more experienced members.

If you have something to sell, do it openly so experienced people can help buyers make an informed decision.

Probasar, I suspect you are here trying to sell something in private. I suspect you of gearing up to scam people. Im not accusing you, I just suspect it because youre following similar patterns that lead to people asking to pay for for the "secret". And anyone discussing purchasing anything from you should be very careful.

[Madi]

@steve

What is ur saying about his graph that uses flat bet and rising up with big number of spin? He is using one important part of turbos method with flat bet not the full turbos method.definitely inspired by tg method but not using progression. Many people saying progression doent work if flat bet doesnt work. He is showing this it work with flat as well.

[Steve]

ps probasah, Im interested in the truth. I dont care if its not convenient, or complicated. I dont care if it makes me look like i previously had no idea.

I believe things because of facts and supporting information. I am not bound to my understanding. Understanding changes. Its nothing to do with pride or ego either, or profit. I just care about the truth.

We can all be wrong from time to time. I dont believe in fairies because I dont know of anything that proves they exist. Same reason for believing repeaters are nonsense.

[probasah]

Probasar (peculiar name), you said:

1. Exactly what experience do you have with roulette advantage play?

2. Why do you think casinos call it "advantage play"?

You've advised people to use flat bets, and to increase the accuracy of predictions. So far so good. Then you said to do this with turbo's method. Some problems:

- Turbos bet selection relates to hot numbers and he uses strong progression
- Turbo says his method works thanks to random

It doesnt seem you even know what turbos claims are. He's saying he doesnt change the odds, and he wins because of unpredictability and different size bets each with the same odds and spins are connected but not connected. I mean, if you understand the contradictions... really.

You tell people to increase accuracy of predictions, but dont do it with the only viable and proven methods. I mean really?

Further points:

1. Roulette computers can get single number hit rates of 1 in 12 on modern wheels. Im not so sure thats "worthless". Random is 1 in 37.

2. Ive defended basic facts for many years. The basic facts of roulette AP are "really basic". Only uneducated people claim otherwise. And for people that need to see for themelves, I do public demos on any wheel, and offer free trials. Nothing beats testing for yourself.

3. Theres ample proof AP actually does work and considered a real threat. Only and uneducated person claims otherwise.

4. I have no interest to censor anything about yours, turbos or any claimed winning system provided it isnt being used to scam people. This thread isnt going anywhere.

5. Ill be very clear on this point: I dont give a crap about what you or anyones opinions are of my technology or AP. But I do give a crap about being called a liar or dishonest. And I do give a crap about utter bullshit, and correcting it.

Before opening your mouth accusing others of dishonesty, be sure you have an idea of what youre talking about. But i suspect your motives are not so pure.

You are encouraging people to contact you privately via email and pm. This is actually against the rules if you are selling anything. Why? Because thats what scammers do, to avoid public scrutiny from more experienced members.

If you have something to sell, do it openly so experienced people can help buyers make an informed decision.

Probasar, I suspect you are here trying to sell something in private. I suspect you of gearing up to scam people. Im not accusing you, I just suspect it because youre following similar patterns that lead to people asking to pay for for the "secret". And anyone discussing purchasing anything from you should be very careful.

Hi Steve

Once and for all i am nor selling anything to anyone, man. All of the persons i talked with can testify this. I am against the fraud and the bullshit that has been propagated everywhere online. I hate casinos and scammers.
You have to do your homework and get the system. I will not tell you step by step the rules.They are simple. It works. 25 million spins and going. What do you want more?
I know its your website steve and you can do anything you like with it. You can even delete this thread, but probably you don't get it or you did and try to play dead.
God is my witness i am just helping out others.
I have several confirmation and thank you emails in my inbox.
I seriously dont give a rats arse if you believe me or not. You don't have to take my word for it.

Maybe its for the best if you delete this alltogether
Im sick and tired to have people throwing rocks at me for nothing.

For all those that found the solution, please keep it for yourselves. The army of ignorant zombies will not see it anyway.

Alex

[Steve]

@steve

What is ur saying about his graph that uses flat bet and rising up with big number of spin? He is using one important part of turbos method with flat bet not the full turbos method.definitely inspired by tg method but not using progression. Many people saying progression doent work if flat bet doesnt work. He is showing this it work with flat as well.

If theres a bet selection method that changes the odds, good and use it. Turbo has specifically said his system works because spins are random, and his system doesnt change odds.

[Steve]

probasar then if you are legit, do your thing. Again I only care about the truth.

[probasah]

ps probasah, Im interested in the truth. I dont care if its not convenient, or complicated. I dont care if it makes me look like i previously had no idea.

I believe things because of facts and supporting information. I am not bound to my understanding. Understanding changes. Its nothing to do with pride or ego either, or profit. I just care about the truth.

We can all be wrong from time to time. I dont believe in fairies because I dont know of anything that proves they exist. Same reason for believing repeaters are nonsense.

Steve
The truth is:
Flat betting works
The bet selection that wins roulette is using numbers
Repeating numbers

All the rest is bullshit in a form or another. Tons and tons of bullshit about EC,dozens,splits,lines, progressions, patterns and all. ALL BIG FAT LIES.

That is all. How many times do i need to repeat that?

Alex

[denzie]

I think probasah is legit. He's been around a while now. And he's good with computers which could result in finding a method that works. After all coding beats a lifetime testing with pen and paper.

Like someone said.....It's all the same....Repeaters,  non hits , ktf , gut....It uses the same stuff each on there own way.
Just like probasah ain't playing as TG at all. But he does got the idea for it. Just as there is more than one way to play a certain idea.

And Steve you might not believe it but there are people who successfully coded it. And if you run million of stats you do see that random has limits. Which of course play in our advantage. Ooooh I said advantage.

[Steve]

Im sick and tired to have people throwing rocks at me for nothing.

Expect that when you say you can do something others cant. Healthy skeptiscm is fine and justified. Throwing mud is petty and pathetic.

I know its your website steve and you can do anything you like with it. You can even delete this thread, but probably you don't get it or you did and try to play dead.

There is no censorship here. Except for spam and some exceptional cases. We do even less moderation than forums that claim to be uncensored. Just because im admin is no reason to hold back what you think. I understand being an admin doesnt put me above anyone. All mods and i do is try protect balance to allow free speech but without blatant crap/scamming

Anyway lets get this thread back on track. If you are sincerely helping people, please continue.

[falkor2k15]

Betting on repeats doesn't work. They simply stabalise stats. You need a parallel stream to gain edge. See this quote from reddwarf:

I found it a really tough journey to free myself from the black hole of "waiting for an event to happen" for example: you can try to bet on repeats, but this is nothing more than a guessing game (hence a loosing proposition); not that repeats can not be used...

[probasah]

Betting on repeats doesn't work. They simply stabalise stats. You need a parallel stream to gain edge. See this quote from reddwarf:

Falkor, you have not seen it. I have. So did a lot if other people.
The good news is that REPEATERS DO work.

Look furthermore, the key is in this thread. I already said too much.
There's a difference between knowing for a fact
and copy pasting the same info,  playing the same disc with... This doesnt work... You are wrong... Einstein was right... Etc

I am giving you the direction. With all my sincerity.


Alex