@ turbo

[denzie]

(+1 hidden) .... hi Steve

[Madi]

My dd would be small. Nothing to worry about.

So u take a loss. 

[denzie]

So u take a loss.

Yes sir 

[Steve]

CHT, I simply don't believe you or perhaps you've made a mistake. If it's all correct and you have the HG, really I hope you destroy the casinos.

Why don't I think it's possible? Because the principles you're talking about are not valid. I know this from my own testing, and a lot more extensive testing from many professionals in the industry. Also statisticians etc. It is not hard to run automated software tests that check a principle over even billions of spins.

[TurboGenius]

* Does your system in any way change the ODDS of winning for the next spin?
(there is no grey answer. It's either yes or no, like the solution to a mathematical equation)

If I take that literally, then no ? This isn't some yes or no question as you worded it - I win at a rate higher than the odds of the location(s) I'm betting on showing. This means if a location were to win 1:37 for example and I win 1:20 then I've changed the math of the game. (that's an example which means nothing in how I play but describes how the math can be changed).

* Is your system profitable without any progression?

I play with a progression, progressions aren't the enemy and only amplify whatever is happening. If you're playing a method that loses - you'll lose more, if you're playing a winning method, you'll win more. In a typical system using a progression just means digging into a bottomless hole at some point and small wins that don't recover. That's not what I'm doing.

* Exactly what testing have you done, and with how many spins?
(for example, parx and with how many spins, and rng from what source, and how many spins)

I don't have exact numbers for you there, in RX perhaps 30k spins. At Park online I'm logged at 12,225 total played spins. Live play in the casino - around 500 total. Recently I started checking out "Roulette Simulator" after seeing it mentioned here - 46 total sessions and already at 9th on the leader board (seems that they never remove anyone - the guy in first played a few spins and had a good run but I'll easily pass him). 133k in profits. 460 players ? It's only been a few days - I can reach #1 pretty quickly. I don't expect it to count as proof of anything though, even though it keeps a good count of your wins and losses and the table maximums make it hard to jump up quickly.

* The only results I've ever seen you publish are either from parx, or short term roulette xtreme charts. Regarding the roulette xtreme charts, why are they only short term results? (like 60 or so spins from memory)?

You only need to test a small number of spins, there's no need for a large chart. This all depends on what you're betting on and how - and how many variables there are.
For example, if you're betting straight up number(s) you'll need to test an incredibly large amount of spins compared to a person who's method is only on Red and Black. There are only so many possible outcomes that can happen with the RB person, so they don't need as many spins of testing. Make sense ?

* What do you feel is the statistical relevance of so few spins in the roulette extreme charts?

Same as above. I can cover what can possibly happen in a much shorter number of spins.

* How much have you won in REAL MONEY with your system?

I'm not answering that for obvious reasons. Since anything I say wouldn't be verified regardless in a way that would matter as proof - it doesn't matter.

* One day you were boasting about how much you won at parx, then the next you say you lost it all... INTENTIONALLY. Exactly would you do this?

Why would I do this ? I think that's what you meant. I did it to show that "everyone doesn't win regardless of how you play" which was a claim. That everyone wins and it's rigged for people to win. So I took a huge amount - told everyone ahead of time that I was going to lose it - and lost it. Nothing magical happened, I didn't just win and win regardless of how I bet. Seemed pretty accurate to me.

* Do you still claim that parx is not at all a rigged game?
(most recently you said the only difference is real casinos take longer to win at)

I'm still confident that it's not rigged whatsoever. I've put the spins into RX manually - it's not showing anything that would make it appear rigged.

* Exactly WHY does it take longer to win at real casinos?

Because I can "Turbo Mode" at Parx online and in the casino I will only play at a table for real money. That means a lot of waiting for spins to complete - certainly not 9 or 10 per minute like I can with the game site.

* Exactly why havent you won millions with real online casinos?
(its very easy to use another player's account to bypass USA restrictions, and you could win millions)

It's not my goal. I have an account at Golden Nugget (very very few onlines are legal in NJ - that's the only one with a live wheel and dealer/video feed). I'm also not going to play anywhere that I have to win 20x or 50x my deposit etc etc nonsense. And won't take any bonus whatsoever. It might become a good option in the near future but as we all know - they can just not pay out or claim a TOS violation since most all of them say that using systems or methods isn't permitted. I'll stick to sitting in the casino at the table for now.

* Your current system is about hot numbers. Have you ever claimed you had the HG and that it was based about cold numbers?

I probably did at one point. I'm sure there's a thread or two to be found when I was on a "cold" kick. The point was that when cold numbers appear finally - they appear very close to what's expected or they won't repeat as being long term cold numbers. This is actually true and It works great. It's takes patience and more time than I would want to dedicate to it since it's incredibly better to use hot numbers.

I'm sure this aren't the best answers but.. there it is lol. I reserve the right to update or modify any of them if I made a mistake explaining or wasn't clear enough.

[cht]

CHT, I simply don't believe you or perhaps you've made a mistake. If it's all correct and you have the HG, really I hope you destroy the casinos.

If you have not seen the model, I don't expect you to believe. I can explain it simply with examples but that will give it away to those who truly understand math and stats. TG has come close to give the explanation, he has done it a few times already.

If you don't change the odds there's ZERO chance of it to win itlr, no arguments there.

And YES the odds is changed without doubt. I know I have a no chance to lose system itlr, you guys call it HG whatever. I'm now working out a practical model to play at b&m casino, that's where I am at now.

Why don't I think it's possible? Because the principles you're talking about are not valid. I know this from my own testing, and a lot more extensive testing from many professionals in the industry. Also statisticians etc. It is not hard to run automated software tests that check a principle over even billions of spins.

You know it's not hard to run test. Anyone with rx coding skills can do it.

BUT very few understands the math. I mean very few. If I go into details, again I will unintentionally give it away. So your tests is invalid and useless, don't waste your time.

Perhaps I'll venture this far, this math is right under your nose all this while. How about if I told you you don't need to run the tests, you just need to understand the math ? It still come back to the math,
without which the odds will not change.

Btw I'm making all my posts from the casino resort room. 

[Steve]

All anyone needs to know if something is false is to know one crtical element of the system's approach is correct. It is a "0" in the equation, and the result is therefore a "0".

Its like having a variety of variables that determine the winning number. If there is anything in the required chain of events that is completely unpredictable, then an edge is impossible. It's the case with any kind of play including roulette computers.

And in this case, the "0" is that hot numbers do not have any influence on future spins. How do I know this? Because you can check:

1. Any combination of spins that makes one or more numbers "hot"

2. Correlate the "hot numbers" to see if they have any bearing on future spins - either relatively near, or distant future.

Looking at a broader cycle is no different. Turbo talks short term. He isnt spending days at a time in casinos. So its even easier to test for short term patterns. I've done that, and looked at centuries worth of spins. It can be done in short periods with a computer.

The result is hot numbers are meaningless. They are no different to cold numbers, or any other combination of numbers. I have left automated software on for extended periods just checking every possible combination, like a computer decoding or trying to hack encryption. The principles can be tested with fewer numbers like say a wheel that had just 4 numbers. The principle same all the same though.

And again the result is hot numbers are meaningless unless there is a bias or underlying physical reason. Its not just me who has tested it thoroughly.

[Steve]

This isn't some yes or no question as you worded it

You either do or dont change the odds. Its like you are or aren't pregnant. There's no "maybe". From what you said, you are changing the odds, without directly saying that.

I cant find you on that simulator. I assume you deleted your account.

You only need to test a small number of spins, there's no need for a large chart. This all depends on what you're betting on and how - and how many variables there are. For example, if you're betting straight up number(s) you'll need to test an incredibly large amount of spins compared to a person who's method is only on Red and Black. There are only so many possible outcomes that can happen with the RB person, so they don't need as many spins of testing. Make sense ?

No it doesn't make sense because short term testing tells us nothing. It does not matter what you're betting and how. If you are looking purely at spin outcomes, with no other validating information, short term data is meaningless.

As it is now, it's unclear if you change the odds, and you say short term tests are all you need, although you have tested a significant amount of spins (still inadequate because even random bets can achieve good results over that many spins) on a game that's clearly rigged although you say it's not.

This is getting nowhere. I would like to believe you but I still cant see a valid point. Everything points the other way. Anyway if you have the HG, take the casinos for all you can.

[denzie]

Now .... from spin 1600 to 2200 your in the hole. That are 600 spins. That are 3 to 6 sessions at the casino. So does it win each and every time ?

[Madi]

No. If u consider a session with short number of spin . But if u consider a  session with 30 days period then yes.

[denzie]

No. If u consider a session with short number of spin . But if u consider a  session with 30 days period then yes.

Well said. 

[denzie]

How would you devide your br?
(Lets say 1000 units)
How much would you bring for 1 session ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
(10 ? 50? 100? 200 ? 300 ? 500? 1000? )

Ill ask it again ....

[Madi]

You already know this . Last thing that is not solved is when we know we r going to be in loss is there any way to pull it up rather than taking loss. I believe tg has a way to do this. And this why he goes up and up in parx.

[denzie]

You already know this . Last thing that is not solved is when we know we r going to be in loss is there any way to pull it up rather than taking loss. I believe tg has a way to do this. And this why he goes up and up in parx.

You stil dont get it. But you will soon. He did go down in parx too. Only difference is the speed for a session. There you can have a 600 spin hole and fix it and have a new high br dayly. 

In a real casino that wouldnt be possible coz the time between spins

[nottophammer]

In a real casino that wouldnt be possible coz the time between spins

Thats a mr J sentence