@ turbo

[jefra]

Well said Turbo !!!

[denzie]

TG what have you set bet limit on single number, at roulette simulator. Thanks

Good question as he changed his progression a few times in his posts.

Started with 1/5 or 5/25 or 25/100
He said we could use 1/2/3/4/5/6/...

Then 5/10/15/20/.... (last graphs played with this)

[Steve]

You missed my point. You say parx isnt rigged when it is. The math is clear. And real casinos dont make so many millionaires. Yes slot limits are higher, which is why most higher ranked players are slot players. But its easy to use bet combinations to extend roulette table betting limits.

Are you going to publish the bankroll trend charts?

[denzie]

Are you going to publish the bankroll trend charts?

[TurboGenius]

Are you going to publish the bankroll trend charts?

Of course, but I'm just enjoying the fact that you keep asking.
As if it's going to show something other than what I've been saying ?
It's going to show a climbing chart since I started isn't it ?
Is that going to convince you 1% that I'm telling the truth, or will you just
look at the chart and come up with another "rigged" statement ?

[TurboGenius]

Good question as he changed his progression a few times in his posts.
Started with 1/5 or 5/25 or 25/100
He said we could use 1/2/3/4/5/6/...
Then 5/10/15/20/.... (last graphs played with this)

My point is - you have to know the lower and upper limits for the locations that you plan to bet on. Then you need to set out a plan that stays within those limits - each site/game is different (unlike in the casino where the limits can change depending on time of day or day of week, but they are still predictable).
So once you know the range that you can bet for the locations that you are betting, (assuming you are using a system that works) - you can set up your progression accordingly.

Wow, that copy/paste ie. repeating myself sure saves time. I don't have to type.
If the table limits are 1-10 (like the euro wheel at Parx) then surely I wouldn't be able to use 5/25/100 or anything that went beyond 10.

[denzie]

Wow, that copy/paste ie. repeating myself sure saves time. I don't have to type.
If the table limits are 1-10 (like the euro wheel at Parx) then surely I wouldn't be able to use 5/25/100 or anything that went beyond 10.

Alright thx.  That answered a question that was in my mind for months 

A aggressive short progression it shall be 

[Roulettebeater]

Steve, Denzie

are you still interested to see the chart of the bankrol's trend?

[denzie]

Steve, Denzie

are you still interested to see the chart of the bankrol's trend?

Sure

[poobear]

You've never been so cagey about any of your systems Turbo.......

[Steve]

Of course, but I'm just enjoying the fact that you keep asking.

I'm not interested in childish games. I asked because it would help determine if your wins were gradual, or sudden. Again, anyone can win $300k starting with $3k with the approach I explained. Then they'd play a series of shorter sessions which makes it look like they've won from a larger series of sessions. The result would be high bankroll but with lower activity stars - just like in your screenshot.

I suspect you are extending betting limits with a combination of bets. For example, bet on 1 number until you profit, then restart. Otherwise use progression that includes splits, streets etc. The result would be if you have unlimited bankroll, you could keep increasing progression and get a large bankroll. But eventually, the progression would fail and you lose the lot.

If you were using the system you've described (repeaters), then you are probably betting on recent past numbers. For example:

- Start betting on whatever numbers have spun. Track 37 spins per cycle. You are expecting there to be some repeats increase of 37 unique numbers.

- If you lose on one cycle, use progression for the next cycle.

OR

- Increase bets the more a number repeats in the 37 spin cycle

I get what you are trying to do, but it doesn't work because the accuracy is not changing. Betting repeaters isnt any more accurate than betting random numbers.

Anyway I do have an open mind to the possibility of you having something new. But I just haven't seen anything to suggest this is the case. The information you've given suggests the opposite because your approach is no different to random bet selection. The high bankroll is not impressive because anyone can restart the ranked game and try again. And nobody would know about the restart.

[Tinsoldiers]

I get what you are trying to do, but it doesn't work because the accuracy is not changing. Betting repeaters isnt any more accurate than betting random numbers.

I don’t know what turbogenius is doing.  But I know for a fact that the above statement can be disproved easily through mathematics. Accuracy should not be viewed as predicting next spin. Accuracy here should be viewed as a statistical significance of a certain set of numbers appearing within a certain number of spins governed by laws of probability. If some one is claiming I can predict with 100% accuracy next 36 spins will contain number 23 then it is easy to see that the claim doesn’t have a mathematical basis. However if someone is claiming that I can predict with 80% accuracy that one of the four numbers will come up in next 36 spins, then it can be probed further. 

The odds of next spin will always remain 37:1, as the spins are independent. However repeaters can happen only on numbers that has happened before. Only a number that has repeated twice can repeat thrice in a stream of numbers, only a number that has repeated thrice can repeat four times etc.  Looking at repeaters creates a bias.  Not because they are hot numbers or an imbalance in the wheel etc, but because they are dependent on what has happened in the past. This is distinct from past spins not impacting future spins as they are independent, which they are. But without the past spins repeaters as a term itself doesn’t have a meaning, which implies there is a dependency. This may not change any odds as even the bias is driven by odds, but there is a potential to look into that bias and try exploit it.

[Steve]

No the math proves you're incorrect. Carefully check your calculations.

You think you're narrowing down the odds. But all you're doing is gradually increasing the number of pockets you're betting on. Eventually you will win, but with odds the same as random bet selection. Simply test thoroughly.

[Tinsoldiers]

You think you're narrowing down the odds.

No I don’t. Just so that we are talking the same thing, can I ask you what do you mean when you say “odds”. 

All I am saying is odds of a repeater are different from odds of a number. If there are three spins and the first spin is 31.  Odds of next spin being 31 is 37:1. Odds of next spin being 5 is 37:1. Odds of next spin being 31 as a repeater is 37:1. Odds of next spin being 5 as a repeater is 0. I don’t think anyone will disagree to this. This is a simple example which can be extrapolated to complex scenarios.

Now, I agree with you on the rest unless someone proves that is wrong, as I don’t know how to use this information effectively.

[sentinel3]

I'm motivated to win. Losing is never an option. If it takes me a while to get there I'm ok with that. I just don't like to lose, no one does - play mode, real, you name it.

Why are you wasting your time on a toy. Get out there and cane the real game. And make a noise that comes back to Steves ears.

He thinks no one can make a living off this game unless they are using some computer to cheat.