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[denzie]

    ...i think this is wrong if roulette produce 38 uniques every 38 spin cycle then would be nice as you will know for sure that whatever hit s say in first dozen it will not hit again say..

If the pay out stayed the same...yep
But they would change the pay out every spin.....then big nope

[rouletteKEY]

to argue about 38 unique or 38 0's or whatever isn't really adding anything to the conversation

can it happen...sure...anything can happen at any given spin...thought everyone was in agreement on that already

it is however statistically insignificant to even really approach that type of scenario and a stoploss kills the bleeding and a little trend analysis makes a ton of loot if by chance you see the once in a kajillion spins session happening and identify it quick enough to profit or stop the losses accordingly

with decent bet selection (doesn't have to be stellar) and solid play (stop losses, negative and positive progressions) money is made at roulette

too many people fail due to emotions and human nature by either being hurried, greed or not having the guts to make the bets that their research and experience say need to be made

bankroll is the thing most people neglect to talk about enough...you need to have enough in your pocket and at home to play with confidence and stay in the game when you have a working strategy....you have to have the whole game to win... think of the casino side and why they usually win

casino has payout edge...seemingly inexhaustible bankroll and table limits...their discipline is set within the rules...their greed is regulated by the rules (they can't make you make smaller or larger bets except what they dictate as mins and max within their own rules)...the wheel will keep spinning all day and all night (no hurry)

player has control of when, where and how much to bet within the scope of their own bankroll and table limits

add discipline to alot of experience and well thought out play...take away greed and haste...add a substantial player bankroll...this player has the real advantage regardless of the 5.26%...take away any of the players tools and the 5.26 might as well be 100

get a substantial bankroll that you aren't afraid to risk

really research what generally happens across a spectrum of plays that all have recoverability

put safeguards in to protect against a series of uncharacteristic circumstances

play within your bankroll enough to be okay with winning small to avoid losing big

always be in position to recognize and capitalize on semi-predictable waves of occurrences with a multitude of off-setting and complementary simultaneous running bets with the aforementioned good recoverability

win a bunch of small battles to win each daily war

regardless of how little or much time that takes

that's my two cents

[nottophammer]

that's my two cents

Didn't waste my time reading the reply, all good words 

[falkor2k15]

Discipline won't get you anywhere unless you have a real strategy behind it - it will simply delay the inevitable at the rate of chips you are risking for whatever return. Everything will break even or lose the house advantage unless using specific concepts designed to work around variance. Short term is best to cover most of the board, but you might get killed off instantly. Long term is best to bet small, and you might win big at the start. Either way you are heading towards the house advantage the longer you play. So discipline cannot help long term. I think a lot of people don't realise this because they don't practise using simulators.

[RouletteGhost]

In cycles we will have numbers that hit three times correct?

[denzie]

Didn't waste my time reading the reply, all good words 

Yup 

[denzie]

In cycles we will have numbers that hit three times correct?

Yes...most cycles.

[RouletteGhost]

Ok then that is the HG

When a number hits twice that's your trigger

[denzie]

Ok then that is the HG

When a number hits twice that's your trigger

If only it was that easy 

[Steve]

The point is still being missed.  38 numbers in 38 spins is as rare as any other combination. Thinking you can bet based on incredibly rare events is fallacy.

[RouletteGhost]

eveyone gets your point steve

i think we are passed that

in our life times we wont see 38 numbers in 38 spins it is not practical

[TurboGenius]

But this doesn't help because you never know which will repeat. Your bet selection still has random odds.

I don't need to know what specific number is going to hit or when.
I only need to choose my numbers and win at a better rate than 1:38 (or X:38 based on how many numbers I'm playing at the time).
We agreed that you can't win unless you can do better than 1:38 and using repeaters which WILL happen - So we don't have 38 possibilities to bet on - the longer we play, the shorter the list of possible winners become... and I don't need to know exactly which one and when do I ? No.....
I only need to know (common sense thread at the other forum) what numbers to play and what numbers not to play. If a number hasn't shown yet - it's very quite possibly a long term sleeper. If a number has appeared (not past spins - since I started my play) then it's obviously a potential repeater.
A number can't show 2 times unless it's shown once, it can't show 3 times unless it's shown 2 times...........
You'll get it - it will click and you'll say "That F'in Turbo was right".

[TurboGenius]

it is however statistically insignificant to even really approach that type of scenario and a stoploss kills the bleeding and a little trend analysis makes a ton of loot if by chance you see the once in a kajillion spins session happening and identify it quick enough to profit or stop the losses accordingly

My point is the opposite - which is what you agree with.
By playing repeaters, I am putting my money of the fact that repeaters WILL happen (not betting when I think that rare event is going to happen where all numbers show in one cycle - because we all know (don't we ?) that isn't going to happen in any of our lifetimes)
Once you know what NOT to bet on - you can clearly see what to bet on.

[TurboGenius]

The point is still being missed.  38 numbers in 38 spins is as rare as any other combination. Thinking you can bet based on incredibly rare events is fallacy.

I'm betting against that incredibly rare event ever happening - and I will always win, because that event will never happen thanks to random.

[RouletteGhost]

100% with you

betting against 38 uniques happening in 38 spins would equate to never losing and when you do lose you will have massive porfits