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[falkor2k15]

Turner is right. There is nothing being taught here, except rhetoric and propaganda. Priyanka's spreadsheet has less to do with repeats, from what I have initially observed, and more to do with targeting 2 numbers appearing in a row, with a steady progression.

[TurboGenius]

Should I break it down and explain it even clearer ? I see posts by people saying that they understand what I'm saying.
How many times would you expect a teacher to keep going back to the same group of seats and explaining to the few kids who don't get it - who never do homework and never pay attention in class ? It really ruins it for everyone else, and the whole class fails.
When I get back later I'll explain it again hopefully in one post and make it clear(er) - at such time I won't bring it up again here. If at that point it's still a mystery - then it shall always stay a mystery to those who don't get it.

[maestro]

hahaha i was a kid like that...i like the picture..

[falkor2k15]

Should I break it down and explain it even clearer ? I see posts by people saying that they understand what I'm saying.
How many times would you expect a teacher to keep going back to the same group of seats and explaining to the few kids who don't get it - who never do homework and never pay attention in class ? It really ruins it for everyone else, and the whole class fails.
When I get back later I'll explain it again hopefully in one post and make it clear(er) - at such time I won't bring it up again here. If at that point it's still a mystery - then it shall always stay a mystery to those who don't get it.

People may think they understand you following your broadcasts, but without you testing their understanding or them showing you they understand, it could simply be explained by delusion and the vulnerable's need to join your cult. Since this topic is full of politician's waffle then attention needs to be drawn instead towards the cult agenda behind the broadcasts.

[falkor2k15]

Here's some stats I ran today based on how many spins it takes to go from X repeats to Y repeats:

0 > 1 repeat (we knew this already)

Max = 26 spins
Average = spin 7

1 > 2 repeats

Max = 41 spins
Average = spin 13

2 > 3 repeats

Max = 67 spins
Average = spin 16

So let's say we got this situation:
0 appearance = 13 numbers
1 appearance = 13 numbers
2 appearances (repeat level) = 1 number
3 appearances (2 repeats) = 1 number

It could now take 67 spins maximum (based on 1 million spins) to get to the next level: 4 appearances/3 repeats.

Therefore, although there are less numbers involved in the higher levels it takes them longer to repeat (FACT). Also, by then, the sleepers would reach their next level quicker than the repeats.

So where is the advantage to playing repeats? All situations happen to be equivalent/comparable based on cost, i.e. how many numbers involved in the bet selection and the payout (more numbers = less payout). Again, Pri's speadsheet seems to be based more on betting 2 numbers in a row, with a steady progression and unnecessary tracking of repeats.

Top-end data based on first repeat > 20 spins

21	8	24
21	3	16
21	7	13
21	14	5
21	8	33
21	1	7
21	12	7
21	8	9
21	17	12
21	17	7
21	22	13
21	5	2
21	5	1
21	7	11
21	21	11
21	12	10
21	12	10
21	7	10
21	11	9
22	7	27
22	10	27
22	12	15
22	12	20
22	8	6
22	9	5
23	19	10
23	4	8
23	12	3
23	15	9
23	5	4
24	3	18
24	7	12
24	10	21

(need to subtract 1 from the first spin as we don't play spin 1)

27

5

23

[falkor2k15]

One more stat

1 > 2 repeats

Max = 41 spins
Average = spin 13

When the first repeat is > spin 8 then the average for the move to 2nd level is only reduced from spin 13 to spin 12.

2 > 3 repeats

Max = 67 spins
Average = spin 16

When the first and second repeat are above their averages of spin 7 and spin 13, i.e. they occurred on spin 8+ and spin 14+ respectively, then the average time it takes to get to the next level is still 16 spins (independent).

[denzie]

1>2 repeats 45 spins in my own data
2>3 repeats 78 spins ""

Of course this doesn't happen often. Sessions like that not make it lose.
And of course we aim for multiple hits 

[falkor2k15]

1>2 repeats 45 spins in my own data

Comparable then, but we not here to split hairs? You are just confirming the main point I made: there may be less numbers involved @ higher repeat levels, but to get to each subsequent level takes longer and longer for the repeats to continue repeating. Priyanka failed to mention that when she promoted tracking less and less dozens @ higher repeat levels as equating to some kind of advantage (see first few pages of Random Thoughts topic).

[rouletteKEY]

Here's some stats I ran today based on how many spins it takes to go from X repeats to Y repeats:

0 > 1 repeat (we knew this already)

Max = 26 spins
Average = spin 7

1 > 2 repeats

Max = 41 spins
Average = spin 13

2 > 3 repeats

Max = 67 spins
Average = spin 16

So let's say we got this situation:
0 appearance = 13 numbers
1 appearance = 13 numbers
2 appearances (repeat level) = 1 number
3 appearances (2 repeats) = 1 number

So there is 28 unique numbers identified in this example 13+13+1+1   leaving 10 on my American wheel

So for the argument (which it certainly is at this point)

Why don't we compare the average and max spins on the hit numbers you illustrated above... with the 10 sleepers...then compare those average and max hit rates and statistically compare if an edge is gained by playing one group vs the other on either an average or max basis...

[falkor2k15]

Sessions like that not make it lose.
And of course we aim for multiple hits

If we are taking longer and longer to get to the next repeat level then we are going to lose. However, the amount of numbers is less, so in the end we just break even or lose to the house advantage.

So playing for multiple levels if that's what you mean gives no advantage. If you mean playing for multiple hits at the same level it will just become more and more drawn out and uncertain the more levels that are tracked and knowing which number from which level is next to jump up to the next.

[falkor2k15]

So there is 28 unique numbers identified in this example 13+13+1+1   leaving 10 on my American wheel

So for the argument (which it certainly is at this point)

Why don't we compare the average and max spins on the hit numbers you illustrated above... with the 10 sleepers...then compare those average and max hit rates and statistically compare if an edge is gained by playing one group vs the other on either an average or max basis...

Was an error... was meant to be 10 numbers at the 2 appearance level so that only one number had taken the lead at the top level.

In general, playing one group over another depends on how many numbers are in that group - not how many times they have repeated. This goes back to the 12 street example:

1 hit: 1234
2 hit: 5678
3 hit: 9,10,11,12

Which group has advantage? I think all groups are equal. You want me to do a test like this for numbers? Or I can do it for streets without the zero?

[denzie]

so in the end we just break even or lose to the house advantage.

Isnt that enough to make it win? ? ? ? ? ? ?

[falkor2k15]

Isnt that enough to make it win? ? ? ? ? ? ?

Not unless you get into the study of variance. My guess is that Pri/TG cannot win simply playing for repeats. Pri probably uses repeats to create combinations and then combines combinations in some way to either beat variance or to make S/D sequences - perhaps aided by parallel streams in some way (see my last topic: link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=18499). The spreadsheet, on the other hand, seems to be about betting a rare event using a progression - something we might get a bot to do. Repeats seemed to be tracked at the same time as playing the rare event for the purpose of deceiving us.

[RouletteGhost]

I can say it in a few lines and under 90 long posts

It's based on repeats and a progression

(edit)

[Turner]

Betting repeaters isnt good enough especially if you are betting a coverage over cycles

Somehow, you have to make the numbers that are hitting pay for the ones that arnt

That cant be done just by a mild progression and removal of non hitting numbers after a cycle.

The net you are fishing with has holes in and just sewing them up after a cycle isnt good enough so
you have to get very big fish to pay for all the little ones that are escaping.

I get all that, but the missing link is how.

In the case of TG, it seems to be some magic progression. Thats the bit that isnt explained.

thats the bit that probably will not be explained....and I personally cant make work.