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[3Nine]

I had a magic progression once. It made all my money disappear.  Poof!

[falkor2k15]

I had a magic progression once. It made all my money disappear.  Poof!

It wasn't the progression; it was the variance! 

[Turner]

STOP !!!!!!!!
Im moving these to reddwarf post. keep on topic-ish

[denzie]

Betting repeaters isnt good enough especially if you are betting a coverage over cycles

Somehow, you have to make the numbers that are hitting pay for the ones that arnt

Correct

That cant be done just by a mild progression

Are you 100% sure? I mean did you actually tried it all ?

The net you are fishing with has holes in and just sewing them up after a cycle isnt good enough so
you have to get very big fish to pay for all the little ones that are escaping.

Catching a big fish isn't that hard if you know where and when to throw the bait

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In the case of TG, it seems to be some magic progression. Thats the bit that isnt explained.

thats the bit that probably will not be explained....and I personally cant make work.

That bit actually can be played on several ways imo .

One thing is for sure. His autograph where you talk about ain't it. Tried that myself too.
Been on this shit for months already now.

Anyway your much better than me in math...do you understand why the HE was break even after that group bets only after there numbers appeared?     

[Steve]

If accuracy of bet selection doesn't increase, no progression can consistently win. Because all you then have is random bets of different size.

[denzie]

If accuracy of bet selection doesn't increase, no progression can consistently win. Because all you then have is random bets of different size.

Well it doesn't win each session. But it does win like 29/30ish.

Anyway let's forget this thread. Back to .....whatever 

GUT KTF 123 Ec or my previous posts....sorry but they fail....I guess we all have to walk the same path....

[rouletteKEY]

If I have a halfway decent bet selection I can certainly carry out a one or two number bet for quite awhile and end in profit

Stop losses and a slight negative on the descent and a positive progression after it hits just to magnify the effect

The key is not spreading across alot of numbers...it's always been the same

[RouletteGhost]

I just find it quite funny and comical that some people say they are sick of the same RBRBRB strategies

Then someone comes along talking about betting a very small amount of numbers and how it's working and had that same person says it's impossible

What happened to thinking and discussing different ideas only to have a turn into a shit show

Some people say they are tired of the same old ideas and to discuss different new ideas and then when you do it gets shut down as being impossible

This form is turning into the same vicious cycle the same thing over and over again

As much as some people think they know everything they don't

[TurboGenius]

I actually have something else important to do but I did say I would explain it again so here we are.

I'll use another example but you'll have to use your imagination for some parts, don't worry - it will make sense when you're done reading.

We walk up after someone plays a session of 38 spins (0/00 wheel)
Lucky for us we can see every spin that happened in that session.
(I'll just run these off RNG just for the sake of explanation)
13 numbers never appeared
17 numbers showed up once
5 numbers showed up twice
1 number showed up three times
2 numbers showed up four times.

I can simplify this if it helps :
13 numbers never appeared.
25 numbers showed up at least once

8 of those numbers showed up at least twice
3 of those numbers showed up at least three times
2 numbers showed up four times.

But anyway - either way it's the same.
So I look at you and say "If you could go back in time and play these same spins, what would you do ?" and here I have a time machine (how convenient - I told you there's some imagination here)
Now you're going to give me some obvious answers I hope ?
You wouldn't bet a single thing on the 13 numbers that never appeared (why on earth would you ?)
You "could" bet on the numbers that showed up only once - but you would lose on those numbers
exactly at the house edge - so a bit silly of an idea. But that's up to you.
You Certainly would bet on the numbers that showed up twice - those 5 numbers would be a nice profit maker.
You Most Certainly would bet on the numbers that showed up three times ! - very nice profit from those.
And you would be a fool not to bet on the numbers that showed up four times !

So what kind of money would you put on them ?
Well, common sense would tell you that they all make profit regardless - but my time machine isn't going to be around in the future so you're going to have to make some choices.
You'll bet a minimal amount on the numbers that had 1 show
You'd bet more on the 2 show numbers
You'd bet even more on the 3 show numbers and
You'd bet a LOT on the 4 show numbers... This is a aggressive progression
and you're not worried because with the time machine you can't lose.

So all of this makes sense - and the naysayers can say "well we don't have a time machine".
And guess what - you don't need one.
I made this clear in other posts - those numbers that appeared 4 times were numbers that had appeared 3 times.
Those numbers that appeared 3 times were only numbers that appeared 2 times
and the numbers that appeared 2 times were only numbers that appeared once.
All of the numbers that never appeared ? They never appeared.......
Use the same logic on the next 38 spins that you don't know.... correct ? It's not rocket science.
You can say "There's no way of knowing the next spin..." and that is correct.
You can say "There's no way of knowing that a number with 1 show is going to be a number that has 2 or more shows" - and that is correct. BUT - the only numbers that will have 2 shows are numbers that appeared once. See ?
Steve rightly said that systems are useless.. "If accuracy of bet selection doesn't increase, no progression can consistently win."
Now your accuracy just increased (and greatly).
As a matter of fact - by NOT betting on numbers that never show you are no longer playing/winning/losing at the house edge.
You can test this - it's not hard to do. I did it at the other forum as an example.
Play every number on the table for 38 spins - you'll end at the house edge.
Play every number on the table but only once it shows - you won't end at the house edge.
Play every number on the table but only after it shows twice - again - you won't win/lose at the house edge.
You can continue this on for quite a while.
The "house edge" on a 38 pocket wheel is 2 numbers.
If you play every number on the table for 38 spins, you will be down 2 units - this is the house edge.
However - if you play every number Except for the last 2 numbers that end up appearing (this could be 150 spins or more ? it varies) You never play at the house edge at all.
For those who want to test things - there's where to begin.
The aggressive progression not only covers the numbers that appear "at average" if you choose to play them - it boosts your profits beyond flat betting and does not involve chasing a loss or digging out of a hole - it's not a negative progression, it's a positive one based on wins.

Thanks for reading, I can only hope this sinks in - and if not then you're on your own.

[Madi]

We all know that its the average or law of third. How will you know that there will 3 hit will be 4 hit. Lets say there only 2 hits in 37 spin cycle. How can you overcome? Ye u might win sometimes but not all the times. The sequence of spin will kill this. Can u plz run a practical example like spin by spin? We can provide spin one by one if you want. Appreciate it

[RouletteGhost]

Can u plz run a practical example like spin by spin? We can provide spin one by one if you want. Appreciate it

I can guarantee you this topic won't go in that direction lol

[Mortagon]

Imagine this with a positive progression.
That 17 hitter would return big bucks.

Keep the br low. If there's no clear hottie you reduce the losses this way
When to stop? If your hottie didn't show in 35 spins

On a hit add one chip on that #
Now take that session of ignatus with 17 hits. That would have won huge.
I've been looking in wiesbaden a lot . You can see at the bottom of each day how many times a # hits. Now go look many days and observe how many days there's a # that hits a lot more than average. Super hottie.
If you see that...then look how many days there's not a really hot one.
After you got that info....choose your br. And keep it low. For example 50 units/# and max 2#.  Now look how many br you win if you have a super hottie. You will see that you can lose a looooot of sessions and still win.
Or you can use 200u and need to win 5-10 sessions to recover 
Hoping not another bust comes b4 that
2# max 

[deepred]

Hey Turbo, I think I get the Jist of what you are explaining. I have an airball machine at my local casino with a 25 cent min per number and would like to try this out.
                 What kind of bankroll would I need to play this.   Thks 
                                                                                                 Grant

[Madi]

Is it for rng or live wheel. If live wheel i dont know if rng no way.  I tried till 111 spin 3 cycle . Big down. If anyone comes with practical happy to assist. When i was chasing 2 nd hit i got 29 single hit. In 37 spin

[denzie]

We all know if we get a super hottie how easily it wins. Like taking candy from a baby.

But what if we don't get one ? Keep going or reset the whole thing. .......